Oticon Opn S or Phonak Audeo Marvel?

Hello, I need to choose hearing aids to try soon. It’s been 10 years since I got my last pair. I’ve narrowed choices to the Oticon Opn S 1 rechargeable or the Phonak Audeo Marvel M-R. I have mild to moderate hearing loss and tinnitus. I’m also an iPhone user, so I don’t need Android connectivity.

They both offer a dizzying array of features. My audiologist said the Oticon sound quality is probably best, which is probably the most important consideration. But the Marvels seem to offer a lot of convenient features. Any other thoughts from those of you who’ve had either? Can anyone comment on the tinnitus programs?

Thanks for any help. Choosing a pair is like trying to buy a car without actually seeing it, sitting in it or driving it.

You definitely need to test them both before buying! Otherwise find another dispenser.

Do not compromise on that, it’s your money, your time, your hearing.

From what I gathered is that various people mean different things when they say sound quality.

It could be better bass, so loudness. It could be less filtered and processed so more realistic. Or it could be speech clarity.

One thing is most important - they both have to be fit following the best practices in order to give them fair comparison.

And to be really able to say which gives what type of quality. If any. I got same word recognition score in booth from marvel m90 (I have to pay additional 1500 eur and insurance gives 700)nl and lowest unitron which i could get for free (insurance covers completely, cost around 700 eur). But both were fitted using REMs. How they behave in the real world and solve my problems is a different story. That’s the point of trialling.

Because otherwise (not using REMs) you’re at risk of having dispenser give more effort to the one he earns more from and not the one that solves your problems.

Check this site and top link to file with best practices.
If they don’t follow that, run away.

Or file directly

Special emphasis on using REM (real ear measurements) for fitting.

That’s how babys and kids are fitted in order to give them how the sound really sounds like, so they can develop properly.

Why not everyone does it? Because people still pay for subpar service of ‘do you hear me now’ and endless visits and then toss the HA in the drawer if they don’t serve the purpose. Dispenser doesn’t care, he made his profit.

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I only own the OPN 1, no Marvel, so I can only comment that the OPN has a tinnitus program. But the Marvel probably has one, too. I don’t see why not.

If you own an Android phone, the Marvel has the edge that it will work with Android phones without requiring an intermediary device. But if you only use iPhone and iPad, then that edge doesn’t matter to you.

You can probably get the Marvel equivalence at Costco with the KS9 for much less. It may not be the top equivalent version and may not have the tinnitus feature, however.

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This is a good point, I have not read about or checked myself.
Since the KS9 aids have now received the 2.0 Marvel update I wonder if they now also have the tinnitus generator.

If the tinnitus generator is there, it’s currently masked. I have the KS9 aids with the 2.0 marvel update.

Tinnitus therapy is a little more complex. I’m sure the audiologists at Costco could certainly do the configuration with great results, but fitting times would likely increase a lot. Costco isn’t making money on the fitting, only the sale of the hearing aids. Either the cost would be increased for all customers or the model would need to change.

I would recommend the marvels based on my experience. The Marvels are a really nice hearing aid and depending on your hearing loss can make great improvements if programed properly. I am always cautious when I say a brand over another. As hearing loss is as different as people and what people are looking for in a hearing aid is as different as well. With that said, there is a lot to like about the Marvels and some things that need a little help. What I like, about the Marvels is their rechargeable model I trailed it had just about everything in it. It was rechargeable, Bluetooth, could be used with Android, and came with a t-coil. The T-coil was a very important feature to me. With the Oticon I had to choose to get a set of hearing aids that didn’t have all that in one. The one thing I really liked about the Marvels was the app. I liked the ability to adjust my hearing aids settings in the environment that I am in right on the spot. I did not have to wait and have the audiologists do that a week later. This ability was not available to me as an option with the Oticon and is very important in my line of work where I can be in a tricky hearing environment very quickly. I also like he Roger devices that where compatible with the aids as well. The table mic was a good example. I also like auto since 3.0 that was used to program the set of hearing aids I had. It adapted automatically to settings rather then thumbing through a set of programs. The oticon where good with there opn concept but the lack of flexibility of on the spot adaptations and that given that there app was buggy at the time really was a big strike against them. The marvels app was better because it offered more choice and adaption to the environment then the Oticon did. In the area of tinnitus the Marvels where similar to other brands. My audiologists had it set to a background noise. This was the same for the Oticon which I used the red rose setting in my trail period with them. In the end though, I choose a different company who had a better fit for my hearing loss and tinnitus. It was a tight comparison the marvels where that good. I wish you the best in what ever hearing aids you choose and hope this was helpful.

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What brand/model did you end up with? Thank you for the review.

I went with Starkey Livio AI Edge. The major reason was the Edge Mode. If you have ever had the opportunity to hear in a challenging environment using Edge Mode it is a real treat. It is also on the hearing aids so I don’t need to have my phone on me to use it. The thrive app also allows for changes to be made and saved like the Marvels do. It tries these changes to the location so I don’t have to change programs it does it for me. This is in addition to many other features it has. I also like the tinnitus feature as it can run in normal mode while I use the hearing aids to hear. It has provided a great deal of relief from the tinnitus. If you don’t mind me asking did anyone talk to you about the new Widex moment hearing aids. The only reason why I bring them up is when I was trying out my hearing aids I noticed they had a great tinnitus program. In my humble opinion it was one of the strongest parts of the hearing aid. Don’t get me wrong I really liked the marvel hearing aid a lot. Their are a great value and where very close to the Starkey. If not for the edge mode I would have gone with them. The edge mode was what made the difference in fitting the hearing aids to my hearing needs best. I hope this answers your question. Thank you for your time and have a great day.

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Check this thread
I did not have a tinnitus program enabled, so can’t speak to that.

Thanks so much to all of you for taking the time to reply! Lots of great info here. It’s also nice to know there are so many others with hearing loss out there to trade notes with. When I first needed hearing aids, in my early 40s, I knew only one other person who had them.

What model of the Starkey Livio AI did you get? If I ever get an appointment at the VA, I want to trial the ITC-R or ITE-R (whichever I need).

I have this model of the Starkey Livio AI. They are pricey let me be up front. They are different from any hearing aids that I have ever had. Their biggest advantage is they are rechargeable. The recharger area is on the outside of the hearing aid. The charger is very easy to use. It has a magnet that places your aids on the charger in the right place. It is very simple to use you simply drop them carefully on the charger and the magnet dose the rest. No fuss no must just clean and charge. This process is very easy you don’t have to place them in a slot or a hole. They just rest on the charger held by the magnets. It also uses puck dehydration system. This will help dry out the hearing aids by passive mens. It is important to me to keep my hearing aids dry as I hope to keep them 10 years like I did my last ones. I know I will have to change the battery in three years but that is okay. They have great features some you may like some you may not like or use. How do you feel about using apps? This hearing aid is very dependent on its app for it features. It can translate in your ear from any language to your dominant language. It sluggish but workable. It is a very techie hearing aid and took time to get use to both technology wise and hearing wise. In the interest of full disclosure I have a RIC model as well as an in the ear cannel models. I like the RIC better for my hearing loss and it is very discreet. But they are both excellent though. With that said back to your question. The biggest thing I like is the ability to adapt to the hearing location. This is important to me in that I can find myself in a tricky hearing situation fast due to my job and active life. The ability to modify to the hearing location is great. It saves it by location and switches to that setting when you return to that location. Again no fuss no must it does it for you. The biggest advantage is that Starkey has AI. This is great because it learns about your hearing environment and adapts It over time to make the hearing experience better. I know that is subjective but it adapts to your hearing need based on the hear landscape. It more then directional and machine learning. If your interested check YouTube out it has videos that are great. It also comes with a line of hearing devices like the table mic. They too can make your hearing experience better. By offering more flexibility. I Hope this answers your question. Have a great day.

Thanks for the resply. I tried 3 RIC-R brands/models but now that Starkey Livio Edge AI ITC and ITE are rechargeable, I’d like to try one.

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I really thought about it but I do really trust my Audi, he told me that after wearing Oticon for over 10 years that I would not like the sound of most other brands. Plus I am really enjoying the fact that I have my main hearing aids and my backups that sound very close to each other and all of my extras work with both sets of aids. It really makes it easy switching back and forth when I need to. I wear my OPN1 ITE aids when I go hiking because of the low hanging limbs that I am afraid will pull my Rite aids off of me.

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If they work as well for you as the do for me you will be a happy camper. Also when you get to use the Edge Mode it will be a real teat. Good luck.

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