That is really on point!
Of course the More1 has the ability to pull the load, but they only enable the mid setting, so have you queried Oticon as to why?
And as someone with a difficult hearing loss as @cvkemp has, he’s perfectly happy with the default.
Go figure.
BTW, going 75mph with a heavy load isn’t recommended…
You see I want to hear all of the environmental sounds, but when I need to zero in on a conversation the MoreSoundBoost has the boost I need. My OPNS1 aids where set such that the OpenSoundBoost wasn’t even useable.
Something else that is happening with the OPNS1, I could still hear my tinnitus even with the aids at normal volume levels. With my More1 aids I don’t notice my tinnitus except when either I mute my aids are lower the volume below-3 in my general program. There is just that much more sound going to my brain that it is satisfied.
This is strictly regarding noise reduction, not squarely about whether you have a difficult or easy hearing loss.
If Chuck (@cvkemp) is rarely exposed to very noisy places but mostly exposed to average noisy places, then he’d be happy with the medium max noise reduction just fine most of the times. If once in a blue moon he’s exposed to a very noisy place and finds it a bit more challenging to understand speech in noise, he’s probably not going to think that he wished his audi has set the NR max to a higher level to him, because “out of mind, out of sight”. He’d probably even had forgotten that the max was only set to mid level for him by his audi, that is, if he’s even aware of that level of details in the first place. He’s still happy most of the times and may just try to avoid those very noisy places next time.
But if you take a waiter or waitress who works at a very noisy restaurant day in and day out, he/she may not be very happy with their audi’s max NR set to mid level, and will demand the audi to set the max NR to the max level to get the premium performance that they paid for.
On top of that, Neville mentioned in another thread that every patient’s tolerance to SNR is different. You take 2 patients with very similar hearing loss and throw them in the same very noisy place, one may do well and need little SNR while the other may need a lot more SNR to understand speech. So it’s hard to say who needs the most NR and who doesn’t.
The one thing I think you still don’t get, @flashb1024 (and probably many audis also don’t get), is that this is only the MAX setting we’re talking about here. It’s not a setting that’s going to always be applied such that you need to exercise caution to avoid prescribing too much NR. The verbage from Oticon on their online help couldn’t be any more clear, from the OPN to the More, that the HA is smart enough to apply only enough NR as necessary. It’s NOT going to ALWAYS apply the max value.
Another analogy for you. It’s like buying insurance. You can buy low or medium or max insurance coverage. If you’re never in an accident it never is going to make any difference what you buy. But some people still pay for max coverage in the rare occasions that they may need it. But if you find out when you get into an accident that your insurance agent made a decision to give you only medium coverage to save you money, but now you need the max coverage, how are you going to feel?
I don’t bother for myself because if I call Oticon support to ask them this question, they’ll most likely refer me to go through my audi for support. They normally support the HCPs and don’t support Oticon wearers directly.
Back then when I mentioned to my audi that I was considering DIY programming, I drew a reaction of consternation from her, like “Really? Is it even possible? Is it even necessary since you already have me to program your stuff for you?”. So I don’t think she’d give me her support in pursuing this question to Oticon.
But even if she did, I already know what the answer is going to be. The first line of support that she calls would not be able to answer this question, except to confirm that “yeah, if the online help says so, that only the appropriate amount of NR is applied, then that’s the answer. And no, we don’t know why the max default is set to a lower value for the premium tier model. Why don’t you just set it to the highest value if that’s what makes sense to you.” End of story.
Personally, I’ve chosen the highest value for my max Noise Reduction setting for all 3 of my programs in the OPN 1 (except for the Music program which doesn’t use NR), and I never feel or notice that the OPN 1 tries to suppress too much noise more than my liking or more than necessary in any environment, simple or complex.
I live in more or less a country setting. My favorite restaurant is a favorite mostly the retirement age crowd. My church has a loop system, the only issue I have is the electronic organ is too loud. I love my quiet mornings with my reading on the porch with all the birds, squirrels and chipmunks, with a little wind the large wind chimes just at to the morning atmosphere. I as love long hikes in the forest with the birds, bees, the streams gently flowing. I even enjoy the slow drives on the back roads here with the winds down and hearing the road under the tires. Now I don’t like big city noises, or the sounds of modern restaurants that are just wanting to rush people in and out as fast as possible by making sure the restaurant is so noisy that people can’t enjoy the company of the ones at their table.
Simply put - Chuck doesn’t know what he’s missing - yet.
I don’t know why my audi had the same problem understanding that MoreSoundIntelligence will only apply max Neural Noise Suppression as warranted by the sonic situation.
But, if you set it at midrange, it’s like putting a speed governor on a Ferrarri.
I think it’s probably human nature. You tend to have deference for the “default”. You make the assumption that the program (Genie 2 in this case), and the company knows best, because you don’t. So whatever it recommends as default, one should stick to it first, because that’s probably the best choice.
I would have the same inclination myself to defer to the recommended default, except that I noticed a conflict and probed further and saw the inconsistency between the 3 data points (the tiers’ values, the default values, and the online help’s explanation). But most audis are probably not as nosy as me, because they’re spread thin on many things, while I’m focused on a very narrow thing. If they pursue it, they may open up a can of worms that they’d rather not have to deal with.
Okay I noticed something today, I forgot to mute my More1 aids before I took the Vespa out for a spin to the Veterans Memorial, and the More aids automatically muted down the wind noise and the sound of the scooter engine as good or maybe better than when I muted my aids for the ride. I do use a half shell helmet that has protection over my ears, but with my OPNS1 aids I would have had to stop and mute my aids because the noise was hurting my ears.
Back to my trial of new hearing aids. I still have the Signia AX on trial. One time I haven’t been pleased with them was on the 4th at an outdoor event. I had trouble hearing my daughter, which I usually can. Plus it wasn’t any better for hearing young grandchildren, than my OPN 1.
No REM as that was only offered for the pair I buy. Which is not optimal for making a decision.
Tomorrow I start a one week trial of the Phonak Paradise, then I’ll have one week in Oticon More (which I suspect will be my choice). It would be nice to be able to continue to use the TV adapters and remote mic I have for the OPN 1.
Yes I still use my TV adapter from my OPN1 aids, and the home phone adapter, but I have a new connect clip for my More1 aids, it just makes it more convenient to also have a connect clip for my OPNS1 aids that are my backup aids.
Oh yes, I get it, it just has become such a discussed setting that I was curious as to what Chuck’s (@cvkemp) audi had done.
I also set NR to max on my OPN S. So I agree with your assessment, and great analogies!
Or like what the Bolts are doing to the Habs!
Maybe that would equate to Less rather than More!
@Volusiano touched on that point a few posts up.
… I hope that doesn’t preclude me from commenting on it, too? Does it??
Some of it is what we learn to tolerate, I know I can tolerate a lot more know than when I first got hearing aids. A big part of that tolerates is just pushing myself to do so.
No, Nothing can preclude you from commenting on anything. (tongue in cheek).
Hope your ER trip was not serious.
Thank goodness, no, @flashb1024. I thought I had suffered a “silent heart attack”, but it was just that a week of extreme chronic pain levels, coupled with concomitant lack of sleep had pushed me past my tolerance level and were causing arrhythmias (along with blurry vision, dizziness, headache, fatigue and crankiness).
It had me quite worried, but I didn’t say anything to my wife for a week. When I finally told her my symptoms, she whisked me off to the ER.
Thanks for wishing me well!
You understand me!!
I picked up the Phonak Paradise today for a one week demo. It’s a quiet day at home, riding out Tropical Storm Elsa, so not much to report except the sound is distinctly different from my OPN 1 and the Signia ( both sounded about the same). The Paradise are sort of sharp, vaguely less comfortable. Maybe I’ll get used to it. So I’ll report back in a few days.
Wow setting hear listen to Jeff Foxworthy and I can follow the punch lines, this is a first in a very long time that I have enjoyed a comedian.
Just checking my VA records, my skeleton ear mold for my left ear has been mailed to me should get it in a few days. Hopefully that will fix my ear mold slipping issues