Getting these pesky settings just right!

[rogerinshoreham]

Hi Kev,
I have never come across an REM before. I will raise that with her. They don’t seem to be quite as proactive as you’d expect, sadly.
I won’t give up though!
Roger

[rogerinshoreham]

Hey, SpudGunner,
No need to apologise. You were right to make the point. I put it all out there and people are kind enough to help me develop realistic expectations. It’s still a good benchmark and if I can get near it…
Roger

[rogerinshoreham]

Thanks Baltazard,
Now I know what a banana is! I can see what it’s trying to demonstrate and it does of course match my experience. I’ll take it along to the appointment.
Thanks,
Roger

[Baltazard]

@rogerinshoreham The funny side is you are missing E & U among others, which isn’t a big deal I guess, since UK has exited the EU.
On a serious note, NHS’s ENT should be able to perform REM (real ear measurement):

Demonstration of Hearing Aid Fitting

[rogerinshoreham]

Hi MDB,
I’m a virgo so life is always made complicated!
Seriously though, by putting the post on here I’ve got some really useful info. Your idea of recording my boss is a great suggestion. My wife is already coming for this meeting for that reason.
Thanks,
Roger

[Baltazard]

@rogerinshoreham Additionally, not sure if your workplace can get you some Phonak accessories:
Like Roger ON or Roger table mic ii, Roger ON has an app and it is easy to use on 1 to 1 or on table situation.

Now, I understand….. Roger On, WOW factor!

Just got a Roger On folks…. Bought 2nd hand, via eBay. To be very honest, I never thought I would be “Very Impressed”, with this assistive listening device, or indeed any other assistive listening device, it usually takes something exceptional to impress me, in especial when it comes to hearing loss…. Any Hyperbole, the manufacturers release alongside their wares, doesn’t usually even raise an eyebrow on yours truly, I have heard it all before!!! But, credit where it’s due, to Phonak, the sound …

Sorry, I meant Phonak Roger not a person, I hope you roger that

[rogerinshoreham]

Thanks for that, I just watched and it was all totally new to me.
I noticed that the soft and medium speech above 4k was below the line. I’ll have to check the banana to see what sort of things are in that region.

[Baltazard]

@rogerinshoreham As Peter Sellers would say: You are wery wery velcome

[rogerinshoreham]

At my age my reference to work is where I volunteer at a charity so I think you’ll understand that they are always short of dosh. My TV Connector was free from the local authority but I don’t think they could justify that kind of money. Am I being cheeky asking what you paid?
Roger and over (not out yet)

[Baltazard]

@rogerinshoreham I paid £1500 back in 2021 for a brand new Roger ON (it did cost me an arm and a leg), then I got me another one second hand on facebook market for £100 as a backup.
They do come on ebay as well, there is one at the moment for £280 brand new.
There are other roger accessories or even phonak partner mic if you shop around.
These are some accessories compatible with your Phonak Marvel M70 SP hearing aids, which will be compatible with the latest Phonak Naida Paradise hearing aids, not sure if you could get a Naida Paradise through the NHS, but worth asking:

[DaveL]

Helpful!
Thanks! Bananas! (cramp this morning!)

DaveL
Toronto

[kevels55]

I believe REM is being phased into most NHS Audiology departments, I first had it done approximately a year ago, tis probably the training that is the holdup? Most NHS departments will be flat out, due to staff shortages, and increased workload’s, staff sickness…So training is usually always put on the back burner, this was the way, when I worked with the NHS, it’s probably not changed much? Cheers Kev

[Neville]

Sounds degrades rapidly over distance. Your TV connector streams directly and skips this problem. If you want to replicate the effect for your wife’s voice, clip a partner mic to her or have her speak one inch from the hearing aid microphones. With BBC broadcaster speed and enucciation.

[rogerinshoreham]

Thankyou Kev,
Last time I went they asked me to email them to say what concerns I had. I’m going to do the same this time so no doubt they’ll let me know ahead of next week’s appointment if they can do REM.
Roger

[Zebras]

@Neville

Sounds degrades rapidly over distance. Your TV connector streams directly and skips this problem. If you want to replicate the effect for your wife’s voice, clip a partner mic to her or have her speak one inch from the hearing aid microphones.

@rogerinshoreham

Neville has hit the nail on the head.

Sounds like you’ll benefit from a Phonak Partner Mic or Phonak Roger System to get the same benefit as the TV Connector.

[SpudGunner]

@rogerinshoreham , @Zebras: Zebes has hit the nail on the head, too! Way to go, Zebes!

[rogerinshoreham]

I’m getting a bit off the topic here but can I ask what is involved as googling leaves me confused. If I wanted to buy a clip-on Roger pen mike for my wife/boss to use will it send directly to my Bluetooth Phonak M70s. I’ve read that in some cases you need a receiver but my HAs don’t have any way to plug in a receiver.
If it’s just a matter of buying the mike (and a charger etc) then that sounds promising.

[Baltazard]

@rogerinshoreham You could get the PartnerMic without needing anything else, but if you opt for a Roger system, then YES, you will need licenses to be able to use the Roger accessories.

Edit: Not sure about Roger Pen 1.1 if you will need any licenses.

[SpudGunner]

@rogerinshoreham: Sorry I can’t help on this front. I’m an Oticonian, strictly.

[Zebras]

@rogerinshoreham

You need a Roger Pen iN or Roger Select iN or Roger On iN to work with your Aids.

Phonak PDF on how to install and uninstall the receivers / licenses in to / out from a hearing aid from a Roger iN Microphone

Here’s a PDF which explains and shows clearly how to install and uninstall the receivers / licenses from a Roger iN Microphone. Also includes a You Tube Video of how to do it with a Roger On iN Microphone. [How to install Roger receivers]

Or get a Phonak Partner Mic for 1-1 use which doesn’t need licenses.

None of these work on Bluetooth.

EDIT - if you buy a Roger iN off eBay, make sure it has the licenses otherwise it’s useless. A lot are being sold without.