Still using Phonak @eyesgreendeaf, but I switched prescriptions from, DSL v5a to NAL NL2, approximately a year ago, for me, a big difference to overall clarity, and crisper, overall loudness takes a bit getting used too, took me about a month or so to acclimatise, after that, I was fine… Cheers Kev 
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Are you able to get anything else?
I got a pager system with door bell, fire alarm, telephone alerter and carer button which lights up the baby light on the pager.
I also got a minicom, CO alarm (lights up fire symbol on pager), TV box and alarm clock that has a vibration pad.
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@Zebras: That’s quite the haul! Does the kit have good value at pawn?
[You realize that I’m only funnin’ you, right, Zebes?]
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I do use phonak . An expert audiologist wrote me that at severe to profound losses fitting formulas are not much different
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That’s not quite true, the formula’s used are the same regardless of ones loss, however some do seem to prefer certain formulas over others, if that’s what they meant.
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There’s loads of difference.
Some provide a lot more gain.
Some don’t provide as much bass.
One seems to literally not provide any bass.
There’s a big difference.
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TBVH @eyesgreendeaf, there is a massive difference in how the formulas sound to me… I think, I have tried them all via Target, and I had discounted NAL NL2, because of the overall perceived loudness (by me) but it was a extremely experienced NHS A.uD whom switched me to that prescription, so I persisted with it, and as a result, I reaped the eventual benefits! As a side note, how could an A.uD know, or indeed contemplate, even if they are experienced, or not, how sound actually sounds to a profoundly deaf person, unless they have a profound loss themselves, it is all conjecture on their part… Probably the best A.uD, I have ever encountered, was a profoundly deaf lady in my 30+ years of hearing of, “Sudden Sensory Neural Hearing Loss”, there is indeed, no actual substitute for hands on experience, and I have always been aided… I reiterate, conjecture is vastly different, from actual hands on experience! Cheers Kev
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My friend who lives quite a distance from me, has a profoundly deaf audiologist. She says her Aids have never been better since she changed to a new private audiologist.
Shame I live so far away, she’s over 2 hours on the train from me so can’t see the same audiologist.
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@Zebes: Now, I’m not quite funnin’ here, but 4 hours, there and back, to be able to hear - possibly better than ever?
By my ciphering, that’s 4 gins in a wee thermos bottle, 2 cucumber and 2 chopped egg sandwiches, and call it a Beatles “Day Trip” … No big deal.
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Hi Guys,
We’ve moved to other areas where you are talking about things of which I know little or nothing!
I have to go to Tescos right now so I’ll explain what I mean when I get back. (Gin supplies, Kev)
Roger
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Whoops, sorry that was spudrunner!
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Thanks. I wrote what I had been told.
I wish I could get a noahlink wireless device and try fitting formulas by myself but it’s expensive here in Turkey. Who would buy a noahlink device at a price of ,let’s say, 2000 pounds in the UK?
I suspect that most hearing aid fitters in my country know much about fitting formulas! They just fit with software defaults and some volume adjustments. One of them didn’t know how to add a telecoil program.
Anyways, I’m fairly satisfied with my fitting given my poor speech perception. Maybe a bit improvements with further adjustments in the new fitting session soon
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My speech perception if ver poor. Dr. Cliff indicates that HAs are limited by speech perception. I do not know your options in Turkey but I have an appointment to be examined medically by an otologist for my hearing & speech perception issues.
I understand your predicament @eyesgreendeaf (or I try too) I bought my Noahlink from the States, for under $200, approximately 4 years ago, you could pickup one there via eBay, or in Europe, or indeed Asia, £2k in Turkey, is a complete ripoff! Prior to this I had iCube…Yeah, switching on the Telecoil is problematic, if you don’t know your way around Target software, it is sort of hidden, it took me, a little while to find it… Adjusting hearing aids in Target, is certainly not “Rocket Science”, tweaking them, as an end user, you get instantaneous results, and as long as you save the initial A.uD settings, you can always revert back to these settings, at any time, so it’s sort of idiot proof 
and to be very truthful, I had to revert back on many occasions, because you will make mistakes, but this gives you the confidence for experimenting 
Hopefully you will manage to get hold of a Noah? Unless, I want to add or remove a program, if I am happy with my aids performance, I do not tweak any further, I do not endlessly adjust, if it’s working, I leave it so…Good Luck, cheers Kev
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Okay, back from the supermarket. A few separate points.
1 In recent posts I have noticed that people have mentioned ‘formulas’. I was thinking that following my hearing test my audiologist would be adjusting my aids for me uniquely. Am I wrong?
2 Target? Is this something else I’m missing? Would it help?
3 The talk of the hard-of-hearing audiologist versus the usual one does bring me back to my phrase book approach - using words to describe sound I’m hearing - probably a whole bunch of words to allow a reasonable picture to emerge providing the audiologist with a guide of what adjustments are needed.
4 I have seen a new Phonak Clip-on mike for sale at £170 (no docking station). I enquired and got a cautionary reply that NHS (UK) Phonaks may be supplied without the necessary functionality to use Roger equipment. Not sure a Clip-on is a Roger, but this is the first I’ve heard about may HDs being sort of down-graded. I’ve emailed the department for an answer but wondered of you guys recognise this important issue.
Again, I really appreciate all your replies. As I have writing this I notice that Kev has replied so I will send see what he has to offer!
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Phonak has around 6 different fitting formulas… A.uD picks one from the drop-down list, in the Target software, Target is used exclusively for Phonak aids, he uses Noahlink wireless as an intermediate device, to communicate between the hearing aids, and make adjustments… Most of us DIY users, have this equipment, so we can adjust our own hearing aids… I hope this information clarifies? Cheers Kev
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Phonak Roger Clip On Mic.
As we’ve said already. You need a Phonak Partner Mic that doesn’t need licenses.
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Thank you @Baltazard, for a most, “Comprehensive” explanation 
Much better than I could have done! 
I am noticing 9 Fitting Formulas now, although it’s been maybe 3 years, since I was in there (Marvels)… The last time I programmed, I just used the import/export feature, exporting all the settings from my NHS Naida M70’s, and importing them into my privately bought, Naida P90’s, the NHS A.uD had done such a wonderful job in setting the Nadia M70’s up, I just wanted those settings (including “REM”) into the Naida P90’s, took me about 15 minutes to figure out what to do, and I was up and running within a half an hour, the difference was exceptional, clarity vastly improved… I feel fortunate, as “Target”, did all the work for me, and absolutely no further tweaking was required… Cheers Kev
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@kevels55 You are very welcome.
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Hi Zebras,
As I keep emphasising I appreciate the help you guys are giving me. I sense a tadge of impatience from you and yes in the end I’ll probably do just what you say. However, we all do our research in our own way and learn from it. Too often I have done what seems so obvious in life only to find later that a bit of hesitation would have been a good idea. So I hope you’ll bear with me.
You have to admit it can be very confusing.
Roger
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