Costco Kirkland Signature 10.0 (Product Information)

There’s plenty of info on this forum if you search for it.

The iN Roger equipment is made for both the Marvel and Paradise aids. The other Roger stuff if made for Aids that aren’t Marvel or Paradise.

AND that includes KS9 and KS10 will work with the Roger iN equipment.

If you don’t want to get a Roger iN device, you’ll have to get 2 x Roger X receivers and installed them into your KS10 via the device in the picture. If you do use a non Roger iN device, you won’t be able to use the Bluetooth on it as it makes the Aids go crazy and not work.


Tell them the problems you’re having. Zebra did a good job of answering the Roger questions.

Verify the restaurant program is set up for speech in noise.
Adjust directionality to max.
Adjust gain in speech frequencies, in the g50 and g65 curves.

These adjustments helped me with Marvel aids.

I was in Costco to adjust my KS10s on Friday. I got the firmware update. I don’t notice any real difference. The only thing in the notes was “improves stability”. I’m not sure what that means.

Maybe it’s related to Bluetooth.

Thanks guys. I’ll get the restaurant program set up per Raudrive, but I think I’m on a path to some sort of Roger solution - just too many bad speech in noise experiences from the past to believe that I am going to get by w/o some sort of assist. I set this frustration aside during covid, but now it’s time to do something about it, once and for all. I did a lot of reading yesterday, once Zebras put me on the right path. The Pen seems most versatile, but users seem to think that the Select does the best job in tough restaurant situations.

I’m doing enough streaming that my batteries are at about 20% by the end of the day, which is getting pretty far down. With the Roger devices there are two ways to connect - through the t-coil and with the iN approach. Does anybody know if there is a difference in battery usage, between the two?

I won’t hazardous a guess regarding battery usage, but do realize that the tcoil approach requires a Roger MyLink as well.

Yes, I understand that it does. I don’t like an added device, so if there isn’t any battery usage difference I would likely go for the iN approach. Also, the iN device seems to make a good, simple TV streamer, which I need.

Phonak has a new device, the Roger On that sounds as though it might be good for what I need. Available “Spring 2021”. Is it Spring yet?… lol.

I’ve never use a iN device with M or P Aids so can’t be sure but with the added Roger receivers that people attach to older Aids, they say that battery is reduced by roughly half.

I’ve just looked it up and a Roger X draws about 3.2mA so that may be the same for RogerDirect Aids as well but can’t be sure.

I’m guessing that an audiologist could likely place an order for a Roger On iN Not sure when it would show up though. Their webpage now says Available Summer 2021. Be prepared for sticker shock.

I did hear @MDB, the Roger On will be priced around $350? But somehow, I don’t think so! Phonak are not known for being benevolent with their ALD’s, so I won’t be surprised if that sticker reads around $1k…… hopefully I am wrong, $350 is manageable, but $1k is a bit of a stretch. I have one on pre-order, to try out as a loner, once they appear on the market, how it performs, and ultimately, how much it costs, will determine if I buy or not…. I will update, once I get hold of it. Cheers Kev :wink:


I’m guessing sticker $1500-$2000 USD with a good deal being about $1300.

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Yeah @MDB, that would not surprise me in the slightest, your guesstimate might be closer to the markup, and if so, unless it has the wow factor, then they can keep it :rofl: :upside_down_face: :joy: Cheers Kev :wink:

Read about BT LE Audio. It offers one-to-many broadcasting including from your own phone to others. Also a venue can have numerous one-to-many streams, e.g., an airport streaming announcements in different languages. Just like classic BT, the standard should be universally implemented but it will take time for it to be widely available. Since the cost of installation is far less than t-coil and it is far more versatile, it should make t-coil obsolete but old habits die hard. The big catch is will HA OEM’s continue to make proprietary accesories or will they make accessories interoperable by adopting BT LE Audio for those as well???

BT LE Audio should go bigtime because of wearables, e.g., Apple AirPods, but we HA wearers will amply share in the derived benefits.

Set this up as a manual program. That way you will know the aids are in that program. I personally liked using the buttons on the aids to,make adjustments rather than the phone app. Much easier IMHO.

Wow, no thanks. Likely my best approach is used on ebay, probably for the Select iN. Some people on this site seem to feel that you can’t do good business on ebay. I have not found this to be true. I’ve done a lot of business on ebay and see it as like anything else - good and bad players, caveat emptor.

Note: Just a guess. EBay is fine if you know what you’re doing (both knowing the product you’re buying and evaluating the seller)

Yes. I don’t like using the app to change programs, very inconvenient.

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People don’t necessarily realize it, but ebay has a strong bias in favor of buyers. In my experience sellers don’t tend to get away with much if an unhappy buyer puts in a complaint.


Sounds like HA battery drain will be an issue of some unknown amount, no matter what, if I go to a restaurant, spend a couple of hours there, and hope for my HA batteries to last the rest of the day. I can deal with this if the device allows me to hear better while I’m in restaurant.

In looking at the various Roger threads, I see that you have a lot of actual, hands-on experience with the various Roger devices. My choices in iN devices are the Select and the Pen. The Pen is less money by a bit, but this is secondary to getting what will work best for me in my environment. When we are in a restaurant it’s almost with never more than six people at the table, in opposing rows or in a circle. Often it is with four people and sometimes just myself and one other. Almost never a large group. I see that you are in England, so you have a lot of pub-type environments that I can recall as being pretty raucous (and fun!!). This is what we have here in the States - not pubs, per se, rather intentional noisiness due to hard, reverberating floors/ceiings/walls. I hate it, but it’s getting to be impossible to find quiet restaurants that are amenable to conversation. Do you have a preference for the Pen versus the Select in these sorts of situations, with the number of people I spend time with? I also want to use the device that I get as a TV streamer, so any differences factor-in, but this is secondary to the basic problem.