Starkey S Series IQ

[dr.amy]

But clearly dealing with feedback ISNT par for the course, even for most high end instruments. Thats why people sing the praises of their feedback management. I agree with the technology (wireless) aspects being behind. But for most patients, wireless connectivity isnt what they are looking for. They are looking for a HI that helps them hear and doesnt squeal all the time.

People who crave or need wireless technology obviously choose another product line. But wireless technology isnt a must have for many people.

dr. amy

[xbulder]

But clearly dealing with feedback ISNT par for the course, even for most high end instruments. Thats why people sing the praises of their feedback management. I agree with the technology (wireless) aspects being behind. But for most patients, wireless connectivity isnt what they are looking for. They are looking for a HI that helps them hear and doesnt squeal all the time.

People who crave or need wireless technology obviously choose another product line. But wireless technology isnt a must have for many people.

dr. amy

It is true that most people are not seeking for a wireless solution, but the TV solution
with a wireless enable product is a very very popular solution now a days. Im looking forward to see how the GN alera would work. They are surely raising the bar!

[dr.amy]

And the IRIS by Starkey. Conveniently being released at the same time :rolleyes:

I love the slick design of Resounds Live RIE!

dr. amy

[xbulder]

… Lets hope it does work, it will be nice to see the bar raise. I hope it is not like the T2

[xbulder]

There are a number of papers discussing the “extended bandwidth” of modern hearing aids. Most manufacturers use similar receivers (speakers) and most can make similar claims about what hearing aids can do under test settings. These settings and claims do not reflect the performance of the actual hearing aids in patient ears.

For instance, Aahz and Moore (2007) suggest that approximately 36 dB of insertion gain is required to provide audibility for a moderate hearing loss at 10,000 Hz.

Unfortunately, this is something that today’s hearing aids will not provide. In general, the odds of amplifying speech into the appropriate range beyond 7,000 Hz are very low.

correct me if im wrong but the limitation is due to sampling right, for 10,000hz to ocurr you need to sample up to 20,000hz (niquist rule right). It is not a matter of speaker.
The actual constrain im guess is aceptable battery consumption right.
Some one correct me if im wrong

[Research]

correct me if im wrong but the limitation is due to sampling right, for 10,000hz to ocurr you need to sample up to 20,000hz (niquist rule right). It is not a matter of speaker.
The actual constrain im guess is aceptable battery consumption right.
Some one correct me if im wrong

Your sampling rate should always be twice the highest desired frequency. This is called the Nyquist frequency or theorem. This isn’t the primary limiting factor in modern hearing aids.

As hearing aids go. All hearing aids include a programmed high-frequency roll off that is usually done for the purpose of battery life, or noise, or comfort; a number of reasons really. Often you can bypass this by simply increasing the high frequency gains.

The reality is that most hearing aids have extended bandwidth receivers, the primary limitations are feedback cancellation, earcanal acoustics, and some other mechanical characteristics of the hearing aid.

[hearagain]

It is true that most people are not seeking for a wireless solution, but the TV solution
with a wireless enable product is a very very popular solution now a days. Im looking forward to see how the GN alera would work. They are surely raising the bar!

I must agree with you that people are looking for a tv solution.

The GN alera may work well with tv because it will be the 2.4 ghz. However, with GN we’re still limited to their extremely poor feedback management system, their computer chip that is at least 5 years old, and their software that looks like a little kid drew the graphs with a crayon.

I must say that I’ve had more trouble with ReSound than any other manufacturer. Siemens is right behind, then Sonic, Unitron, Phonak, and Starkey.

[xbulder]

I must agree with you that people are looking for a tv solution.

The GN alera may work well with tv because it will be the 2.4 ghz. However, with GN we’re still limited to their extremely poor feedback management system, their computer chip that is at least 5 years old, and their software that looks like a little kid drew the graphs with a crayon.

I must say that I’ve had more trouble with ReSound than any other manufacturer. Siemens is right behind, then Sonic, Unitron, Phonak, and Starkey.

Facts, Jabra is the #1 company for headsets in the work. They know a thing or 2 about
bluetooth. Im sure they could come up with something awesome.

[hearagain]

Facts, Jabra is the #1 company for headsets in the work. They know a thing or 2 about
bluetooth. Im sure they could come up with something awesome.

Is Jabra working with Resound or something?

[xbulder]

Is Jabra working with Resound or something?

the GN group owns Otometrics, Beltone, Intertone and Gn resound and Jabra.
Lets not forget Otometrics do make Noahlink and the AVS system which runs
using bluetooth. Jabra is the #1 king when it comes to bluetooth headset- they know
a thing or 2

[xbulder]

I must agree with you that people are looking for a tv solution.

The GN alera may work well with tv because it will be the 2.4 ghz. However, with GN we’re still limited to their extremely poor feedback management system, their computer chip that is at least 5 years old, and their software that looks like a little kid drew the graphs with a crayon.

I must say that I’ve had more trouble with ReSound than any other manufacturer. Siemens is right behind, then Sonic, Unitron, Phonak, and Starkey.

It is true that it is not all good when it comes to GN, they have been consitently loosing
money and market share. It is difficult to believe given the profit margins.

GN needs to be credited for what it is. They have come up with the trully open fit
instrument - the GN air. Most of the instruments now are very similar to that.
In the past 3yrs, they come up with a few interesting concepts. This is a step up
in the profession we all love. Natural directionality seem to work, and it has some interesting papers on it. Their new remote microphone instrument seem to be a great
idea. For that I praise them…

[mikejfl]

Im not sure a cic is capable of fitting you 100db on the highs, no matter
what starkey says. I like to see the audi speech map that aid.

I’ve done it. CIC’s with a 70 gain receiver…no feedback at all. Patient actually asked me to turn it down. Patient in his 30’s…lifetime BTE user. LOVES LOVES LOVES his CIC’s I did for him.

Fortunately his ear was big enough to make the CIC so that the large receiver would fit in the shell.

[mikejfl]

You are correct about about no wireless connectivity. Have you done research on those that are currently out there?

Phonak - serious delay unless you like to watch movies in lip sync mode

Oticon - mono only, poor sound quality

Siemens - no good period…not worth the comparison

Starkey has one coming out in the fall that is going to sound a lot better. I have personally listened to the others and the new Starkey. They helped Oticon develop theirs in the first place. Were you aware of that.

Not that I’m a huge Starkey fan, but when it comes to audibility in the highs, eventually, all patients are going to need what they can dish out without feedback. Less feedback is less problems for me and the patient.

Agree with everything you are saying. And i actually love Starkey products along with Oticon.

[mikejfl]

What do you mean?

feedback cancellation affects speech clarity?

Is it true?

Phonaks can…it can limit the output of the hearing aid thus not giving you amplification to areas in your loss that require it…for the sake of keeping the feedback from happening.

I really like Phonak but only for certain losses and patients.

[hearnow]

I think that you’re correct. Have you done a lot with the soundrecover? I’m interested in your view on this.

Sorry for the late response. I haven’t looked at this thread or ages. I have probably fit about 200 aids with SoundRecover since its release and it works wonders in most cases. In milder losses with tinnitus at 6-8Khz I tend to turn it off, but on in by far the most popular setting with my clients.

[stream2525]

Phonaks can…it can limit the output of the hearing aid thus not giving you amplification to areas in your loss that require it…for the sake of keeping the feedback from happening.

I really like Phonak but only for certain losses and patients.

That’s really a big problem. What can solve that?

What aids are better in Phonak in this and don’t affect speech clarity?

[xbulder]

That’s really a big problem. What can solve that?

What aids are better in Phonak in this and don’t affect speech clarity?

phonaks are one of the best aids out there… But also siemens, Oticon seem to have
very good technology.

Phonak has been betting on frequency compression which works well for some people.

I would say with out a doubt phonak have the best power and super power aids out there

[stream2525]

phonaks are one of the best aids out there… But also siemens, Oticon seem to have
very good technology.

Phonak has been betting on frequency compression which works well for some people.

I would say with out a doubt phonak have the best power and super power aids out there

I was talking about feedback cancellation system. Is it true that it affects speech clarity, and what is the solution?

[xbulder]

I was tlakign about feedback cancellation system. Is it true that it affects speech clarity, and what is the solution?

a good feedback cancellation system allows for more gain but you got to think of the
entire system, example how the instrument decides how to activate noise reduction, speech enhancement, etc. This are important aspects that affects speech clarity.

For example, the old Phonaks (and the current Unitrons) works with multiple programs the aid will automatically jump to such program. Oticon for example, uses artificial intelligence in order to pick the best set of features to obtain the highest Signal to noise ratio.

It is important to see the big picture

[tonytrouble]

Xbulder seems to know a lot about aids. What do you wear and what is your loss?

I’m a new guy to the forum (Birmingham UK) and have severe hearing loss similar to Stream2525. I have been getting by on my old Starkey Rhapsody CIC’s for years now. They’ve given me clear natural hearing. However, its time to move on to new technology. I have just returned a pair of Phonak Cassia 312 wireless HS P half shell aids. They were useless compared to my old Starkeys. I did like the Bluetooth link to my Cell phone though.
My next try will be a pair of Starkey S series 7 half shell wireless aids. I will let you all know how I get on.
Half shell aids are now pretty small and not much bigger that CIC’s. Half shells have got to be better for wearing than BTE if your canals large enough.