Resound One vs Phonak Paradise trial

Hearing Aids
#57

Thanks for the info. I’m interested in P90 vs. Ones for my next set of HA’s - also the OPN More’s - but maybe waiting 'til the next version of each.

Do you know what ReSound One mode you’re in when in the difficult noisy situations? Supposedly, the noisy it gets, the more the Ones switch from use of the M&RIE mics in the ears to just the two mics behind the ears. And then there is the ReSound One “Ultrafocus” mode - or whatever it’s called, where the rear mics form a very narrow hearing beam that only takes in 20% of the area or something like that right in front of you. So if the P90’s aren’t in the same mode (very narrow, out front beam-forming mode), it might be a bit of an unfair comparison. If would be neat (but maybe a tedious bunch of work) to know how the best focused mode of the P90’s compares to that of the ReSound One. In the ReSound One ads, ReSound seems to emphasize switching to the Ultrafocus mode for the most difficult speech situations so I’m very interested to know how well that works. Same for any extremely focused mode for P90’s, More’s, etc.

#58

Hi Jim,

I’m currently on trial period with P90 and was told by my audi that she set gentle regime to get used to Phonak, so you are right, it’s not fair to compare P90 to ONE that actually set to experience user algorithm, so my apologies to Phonak owners who was insulted with my claims.

The truth is that I fell in love with P90 and not sure that will ask audi to change current settings, since it’s nice for daily use, sometime I even forget that I wearing them…

For work, I definitely will use ONE that sounds crisper, not easy for ears, but I have to be on safe side that less words will be lost. Also MFI BT is more reliable and clear, classic BT (P90) is nice for TV and laptop, but failed me twice in 2 weeks during important video meetings.

After trial period (ends in 2 weeks) I definitely will “play” with setting of P90 to answer your questions.

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#59

In this case I’d change the fitter to find someone who is able to provide proper fit for both so that I can really compare apples to apples, and not apples to bananas.

As a bare minimum, you should get WRS with each aid on 65db speech the same as without aids on loud speech. In quiet. Then with white noise as background.
IF you get the same values, then we can say they’re remotely similar in set up and comparison in real life looks fair.

Since you didn’t mention how fitting looks like, I just assume average, which is actually ‘averagely poor’ :frowning:

But, if you’re stuck with this fitter and they don’t utilize best practices, then I’d say - go with the one that gives you best results in these conditions.
It’s just that I’d put much much more emphasis on finding a fitter who follows best practices, because poor fitters will make a poor job, and good fitter will squeeze the best out of low tier aids and even surpass the poor fitter’s job on top tech aids.

I had a back to back experience with same aid (not the same unit, but the same model), fitted by poor fitter who did default + ‘how to your hear me now’, and went through weeks of adjustment and I’d understand better without that aid.
Then I went to someone who follows best practices, and in just one setup session I was flabbergasted how much better I can hear and understand and how insanely better that is compared to the default by manufacturer.

So, I cannot emphasize enough how important is to find a really knowledgeable fitter.
Manufacturer comes second.

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#60

My observation so far for using ONEs and P90.
ONEs - did not take long to realize that I don’t need to glare at speaker anymore and ask to remove mask as words coming somehow strait forward to my brain, somehow inside of my head and I can just stay or walk with my friends and simply relax and enjoy conversation without thinking twice.
The feeling remind me my childhood when my hearing was good and I shouldn’t tense my nerves and be ready any moment to start working on speech comprehension. I believe it’s M&RIE’s work.
Ultra focus - at last I can enjoy lunch with my colleagues and not just sit on the corner, chewing your food and thinking how miserable my life is. With ultra focus program my brain puts every word on the wall and narcissistically giggles of its own work. It’s manual program, yes, but it can be easy kicked on from Apple Watch, resound app or from native iPhone app by double tap on phone’s back that instantly connected to ONEs and ready for my commands.
All Around - ability to completely eliminate noise is impressive. Noise level in my office from road nearby and AC is 60 decibel, measured by Apple Watch, and no squeak coming to my ears.
My applause to GN Resound team for good job, however feedback still there and M&RIE receivers work on edge for my loss and they are not capable to handle particular frequencies despite of trying set them on smartfit. Also hole in my budget does not add to my mood.

P90 - hmm, overall they are good, nothing special.
Well, how to explain it gently by non English speaker.
Imagine situation, when everything - noises, clutches, speeches from every direction thrown into same bag and blasted into your head saying I did my job, I reduced some frequencies and amplified some, now, brain, it’s your job to eat your sugar and work hard and build puzzle and try different templates for snippets of conversation in real time! That results with asking talker to repeat again and again. How it’s prostrating, but it seems that HAs companies have little idea what to do and it’s ok, since I don’t have as well.
Actually, I do have an idea, nowadays you can easily use online Amazon cloud AI services for turning speeches to text and back into any voice, while eliminating redundant sounds. Going to develop an application for smartphone and test it on my AirPods, will update soon.

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#61

I have been using the Resound 3D app for quite awhile … currently with Resound One.

I have had an Apple Watch since version one … currently on 6.

I have found the Watch app for me to be almost totally useless. If the app is not open on the phone, and seeing both aids with MFI, then the watch app does not connect. So what do I need the watch app for if the phone app is on and connected. I feel like Resound put this in as a selling gimmick without spending the time to make it work as a stand alone watch app.

#62

Going between iPhone and iPad with “Optimize MFI “connection on works terrible in my experience. I end up having to turn Bluetooth off on the devise I am not active on. This is a pain both for receiving calls while on the iPad and using the iPad pencil (which connects over Bluetooth).

I am going to try Costco 10’s and see how they work … this being a loyal Resound customer for 3 generations of their HA’s.

#63

I just leave the “Optimise …” setting off. Works for me, but then I mostly just use my iPhone with my Resounds.

#64

I know this is an old thread, but what did you end up with? I’m trying to compare the two but I can’t find much on the resound

#65

I compared them both through costco (ks10 is phonak and jabra is resound one). I went with the jabra /resound one because I really like the m&rie - microphone and receiver in ear. It is great for me. I’d still suggest trying them both.

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#66

What did you like about the M&RIE? My use case is singularly for speech processing, as I have an auditory processing disorder and not much hearing loss.
I’m leaning towards the paradise for the ActiveVent and bluetooth, but I don’t want to give up on sound quality or echo/noise cancellation. I’m not in the US, so at most I could try them for 10 minutes at the local clinic.

#67

For me there was two things. The jabra felt like a larger dynamic range to the sound. But the real thing was the wind noise. With the m&rie it’s amazing. Wind sounds like wind. With any others I’ve tried with mic behind the ear the wind is annoying.

#68

The one downside I see to the Jabra with M&RIE receiver is that it’s designed to work best with closed domes or custom molds. In normal circumstances I would think you wouldn’t want to use a closed dome with such a mild loss.

#69

Wind noise is pretty bad with my Resounds. At this point its the only negative I have. Not sure if it’s microphone placement or software but wind doesn’t sound like wind, but more like something is being brushed up against my aids. I do have my gains cranked due to my loss, but I don’t get the same levels of discomfort in wind as some older Oticons. But now, after many self adjustments, custom molds, and purchasing a Phone Clip+ and TV Streamer, everything works really well and now I can’t live without them for even a short time. I used to go without wearing aids on the weekends as much as possible unless really needed them, but now I find myself wanting to wear these all of the time

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#70

If you cannot use the m&rie (I realize you can’t due to your loss) then I would agree - my jabras using another program are not very good in wind. If someone can use m&rie then the wind noise blocking is amazing…

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#71

You are correct. And I should have mentioned that these work well in mild wind. It’s only heavy wind that is an issue.

#72

Do you use the Outdoors program or its equivalent with the Ones or the Jabras for wind noise outside? For the Quattros, the Outdoors program is the only one designed to deal with wind especially well. The other 3 basic programs All-Around, Restaurant, and Music are not specially designed to handle wind noise. I find the Outdoors program with the Quattros does a pretty good job of suppressing wind noise. Wearing a knit cap (or EarGear, if one wants to go that route) does an even better job especially if already using the Outdoors program.

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#73

Thanks for the suggestion. I am not currently using the Outdoor program at all. I will look into adding that this weekend. We had a windy day and I noticed that the wind noise is only bad when it blows from the rear. If the wind is in my face, no wind noise. Thanks for the suggestion

#74

Well you certainly seem to be doing a thorough job testing the aids. Good for you.

#75

Outdoor mode with the Resound really makes a world of difference all around, but especially for ME in windy conditions it mutes it down to a dull sound.

Focus program during business meeting at a restaurant is awesome. I can really zero in on the party I’m speaking with in addition to hearing others at tables around me very clearly.

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#76

Maybe I need to keep tweaking my Ultra Focus. I don’t find that it helps me much, but hearing your experience leads me to believe there is some possible improvement to be had in the program. Tnx