I have played with the Sound recover example often with headphones and maximum volume and i still cant hear the upper keys being compressed. Does this mean that sound recover will not help me a great extent?
I don’t think inability to hear the high notes in the example means that sound recover will be of no help. The example is just normal sound for purposes of showing a visual example.
You don’t get the benefit of sound recover unless you have sound recover active on your Phonak hearing aids. Then when you listen to the example (or any high frequency sounds) you should be able to determine if sound recover is helping.
I have no knowledge about whether sound recover may or may not help for your specific hearing loss. Do you have free trials in your area?
Part of high frequency hearing loss is not hearing consonants, the ‘S’ in particular. From a speech stand point the Sound Recover should bring the ‘S’ sound down in frequency to a point the patient can to hear it. Given time for the brain to learn these new sounds the patient should have better speech recognition. It has for me.
Good luck
We can give it time, but does it work at the end? Will we be able to understand after the practice?
Any experience on this?
The answer to your question is in the response. Try reading it again.
You might try using the search function of this forum for your many questions. The answers for just about ALL of them have been discussed.
Good luck
I read it again. It is interesting to know that it worked for someone. I am excited to try it.
Don’t forget that Sound recover exists fro TWO reasons:
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The shift high notes to a lower frequency where you might be able to hear them better.
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To compensate for the difficulty hearing aids & their speakers have in delivering high gain at high frequencies … so it helps to sidestep the technical problem by shifting the highs away from the difficult area!
Glad someone else noticed this.
It’s a classic technology dodge, isn’t it? Put something in there that the product needs to actually improve gain before feedback, hand it over to marketing who turn it into a win/win 
When you get your REM kit, plot a curve with the soundrecover at either end of the slider, look at the difference in the HF gain. IMHO it’s also a bit like the ESP/traction control on a Merc: you turn it off, but it’s still ‘managed’ to some extent.
Can you say that in an easy way ?
looking at my loss I wonder how sound recover can help. I have very bad loss even in the 1-2 K Hz, so I don’t know to where they can shift the high frequensies. I doubt they can shift them to the good 250-500 kK Hz.
Does it affect the voice quality when increasing the sound recover?
I can see that you have better hearing in the mid ranges, so it is easier for you to benifit from that. Can sound recover be shifter to the good ranges I have( 250-500)?
SoundRecover can only dump highs down to 1.5Khz even when set to maximum … so your right ear might benefit … but probably not much …
It’s a classic technology dodge, isn’t it? Put something in there that the product needs to actually improve gain before feedback, hand it over to marketing who turn it into a win/win
Have you ever used a megaphone and wondered why your voice sounds different through it? It’s because the device uses a frequency/phase shift to reduce the incidence of feedback. It’s the same with the soundrecover to some extent - the difference is that somebody also realised that there is a practical aspect to frequency compression in terms of precipitous losses. I’ll be generous and say it was down to an Engineering/Audiology inspiration rather than marketing…
When you get your REM kit, plot a curve with the soundrecover at either end of the slider, look at the difference in the HF gain. IMHO it’s also a bit like the ESP/traction control on a Merc: you turn it off, but it’s still ‘managed’ to some extent.
The real ear measurement system that E.D. might purchase at some time in the future will be able to illustrate the actual HF gain in operation - with properly fitted aids, it’s quite possible to demonstrate how effective the aid is in providing dynamic response to speech input - even for the seriously steep losses. If the Soundrecover is off completely, a 4Khz pitch will be reproduced at 4Khz (as in any other aid). If it’s on a fraction (Mercedes) it may be 3.7Khz. If the slider is set fully over it might be 3KHz.
HTH
Sound Recover is for VERY steeply sloping losses where the cochlea is actually dead. I would NOT recommend it for your hearing loss. Turn it off…
Don’t I need it ?
In this case I am not a good candidate for sound recover. What options do I have to improve speech understanding ? Can few adjustments work for that?
Dead spots aren’t necessarily going to be massively benefitted by use of soundrecover - you could end up compressing more HF into a narrower band thereby increasing the issues caused by the dead spot.
Surely there’s an argument to use it to avoid the downward spread of masking in this case. What is the auditory resolution like at 4khz?, you must have a better idea than me to make such a sweeping statement. Without an idea of the cochea and retro-cochlea function how can you confirm your hypothesis?
IMHO, trying soundrecover would be beneficial - not trying it at all may limit the options regarding the loss.
I think I will not benifit from cound recover. I asked the audi to increase it to th maximum. He did but I started hearing the receivers working in my head. This affects clarity of speech a lot.
That is the part of Sound Recover that takes time. Your brain is hearing new sounds that have to figured out. It takes time, some people will not take this time and never understand it. It may be that you could benefit from Sound Recover given enough time?
Good luck
I hope you’re right. I visited the audiologist last week and he made some adjustments based on a software update and a new audiogram that has worsened across the board by about 5 dB. I went to a wedding the next day and was so disoriented I was planning to go back Monday and have him change everything back. I decided to give it another week, because I remember the last time (about a year ago) the audio artifacts were driving me up the wall. My brain eventually adjusted.