Good for you kevels55
If you’re satisfied with your new toys you can send them to me 
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Thank you @eyesgreendeaf… In an ideal world, our governments would provide these aids, free gratis… That would slightly level up, the sheer discrimination, we HOH all face on a daily basis! Unfortunately, we have to fork out, and live on the periphery of the hearing World, as best we can… But for me, no aids can replace what we once had, and what we lost! Everything for the HOH, is a compromise, and my heart goes out to those whom are less fortunate than myself, I have certain options, others don’t, they suffer the isolation, loneliness, stigma, and the sheer frustration of severe/profound hearing loss, and knowing there are better aids out there, to ease their pain, is a bitter pill to swallow! Simply because a lot of these aids are beyond their means, that doesn’t make life any easier, it just ads to that pent up frustration… My commiserations to all, whom are in this boat , life is a bitch sometimes, but I don’t have all the answers, nor do I have a magic wand that could erase all the injustices of this world… I wish a had! Cheers Kev 
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Hi Folks, I have to cancel lunch today, for the challenging restaurant experience or experiment, my wife can’t make it, she has cardiac training, but Elspeth is okay for tomorrow 
I have an alternative tonight, I am going out to a Pool Hall, with around 8 teams playing (5 man teams) so there should be 40 to 50 bodies in there, shooting pool, drinking, and generally making some sort of noise, we shall see how that goes… I will report back… Cheers Kev
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Hi Kev,
Quick question. I know you have the Roger On and are using it on the Lumity. Did you transfer the licences? Or is it just run via the Telecoil setting (not the Roger On iN).
Cheers,
Graham
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Yeah @glucas, I transferred the (type 02) licenses via Roger Installer on Saturday, took them out of my Naida M70’s, it takes about 5 minutes to transfer back into the Roger X, then transfer them into the L90’s, it’s a very simple process, I now have a set of (type 02) in both the Naida P90 & Naida L90’s, so I can swap out aids, and do a comparison check on the fly… Cheers Kev 
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Ahh… OK. The Roger X boot. Thanks.
Very excited to hear your next instalment in noise!
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Yeah @glucas… I’m kinda excited myself at the prospect of hearing slightly better in noise, it isn’t going to be perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but perhaps I will be surprised? I took a phone call this morning, on my iPhone 12 via Bluetooth, my heart kind of sank for 2 reasons, one was I had just driven off to pick this friend up, to come and give me a hand to do some joinery work, I knew the only reason he would be phoning, was he couldn’t make it… The other reason is he is absolutely terrible at enunciating his words, on top of this, he is as quiet as a church mouse when he speaks, so understanding him, is for me, usually very problematic, I shouldn’t have worried, he came through pretty clearly, which is a first! Cheers Kev
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Hi Folks, I was out tonight at the Pool Hall, with perhaps 50 bodies in there, piped music, and a TV going, drinking and much merriment, (I was sober) and a bandit going, with five tables shooting pool…It was fine, I actually felt quite comfortable, relaxed. and stress free, conversation up to 4 foot away was good, but obviously, I am going to miss the odd word, but for the most part, I was hearing conversation in close proximity, any further away then it was drowned out with the background noise… I didn’t feel the need for the Roger On, I was quite happy to converse up close, and in their personal space… I will try the Roger On out tomorrow, in the very challenging restaurant! I was however absolutely delighted with the 10 mile trip there, and back in a VW Diesel Camper, 3 of us in the front, me in the middle, 2 folks way back in the rear, the driver was to my right (My good ear) conversation with him, no problem whatsoever, I missed very little… The mumbler on my left however, was challenging to hear, even the driver struggled to hear him, but I was catching the odd word… The 2 folks in the rear, where fairly pissed on the way home, with road noise & engine noise, and them approximately 8 feet away, I was still catching the odd glimpse of their conversations, which I found quite amazing, considering the SNR… All in all, a fair test, and I was impressed. Tomorrow in the restaurant, I will do a direct comparison test, from Naida P90 to Naida L90, I will swap back and forth, I will also test the Roger On with both sets of aids, I have 2 x type 02 receiver licenses in each set of Naida aids, hopefully the Naida Lumity’s will perform well… I am fairly confident they will. Cheers Kev
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Kudos to Phonak for continuing to make power hearing aids for severe to profound hearing loss group. And also HA’s that use 675 battery. Flat out Phonak is the leader in providing good quality power aids to those who need the most assistance to hear.
But sorry Kevels55 since you’re splitting hairs trying to decipher difference between the “Naida Lumity 90 UP BTE and the “The Naida Paradise 90 UP BTE”. The hearing chart range for both aids is almost identical. The size of both aids is almost identical. Exactly what does the Lumity offer that the Paradise doesn’t? I don’t see any new technology in the Lumity, other then newer aid possibly allows users to hear better when walking with someone, as far a directional microphones usage.
Though we all like new hearing aids these two aids came out within 18 to 20 months of each other. Though the first new Lumity power aids only used rechargeable batteries. So bottom line there really isn’t much difference between these two power aids. Obviously if someone was looking to trial or purchase new power aids I’d push them towards the Lumity, But if I was someone who had purchased the Paradise power aid two, three years ago I’d stick with that excellent aid for another couple years. Because there’s no “quantum leap” (in performance) between these two hearing aids. As is the case with most new aids that come out year after year. The changes are always minimal, but of course the price you pay is always excessive.
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In a word @stevemink … CLARITY! Cheers Kev
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Matthew Allsop from Hearing Tracker reviewed the Lumity on Youtube.
Same PRISM chip - so no difference in Bluetooth
However there are a lot of new additional features to help speech understanding in background noise, summarised below:
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AutoSense 5.0 ← Autosense 4.0 (Paradise)
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2 Key improvements: Background Noise + Speech Understanding
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Windblock setting is available in all technology levels (unlike the Paradise family)
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Speech in loud noise automatically activates at a lower technology level
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Updated Sterozoom (10 years old) - new Stereozoom 2.0 - now adapts to noise in background and has more targeted focusing of microphones, with a slower and more gradual, smoother activation of focus. More optimal/more natural. Phonak claim a 2.5 DB signal to noise ratio improvement resulting in 16% better speech understanding over previous versions of stereozoom.
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New Speechsensor feature. 360 degree speech detection algorithm. Allowing you to hear more conversations from left, right and behind. Phonak say 20% of conversations come from these directions and older microphones were too aggressive in forward focus. Automatically detects conversations from around you and changes beamformer to a more omni-directional setting. Phonak research claims this results in a 3.4 DB better signal to noise ratio and a 15% better speech understanding when a hearing user has somebody speaking from the side.
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Dynamic noise cancellation - another component of Noise reduction system
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Motion sensors - detects when you are moving and automatically adjusts microphones to projected direction of speech
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Speech Enhancer - Enhancement of softer sounds providing a 10 decibel boost
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APD 2.0 New fitting formula to move closer to NAL-NL2 (gold standard of target)
I agree that there are some rollouts of hearing aids where there is hardly any difference. However, to quote Dr Cliff in his review of the Lumity, he says “according to Phonak their new line of Lumity hearing aids is their most significant leap forward in sound processing in nearly a decade” . So I think it’s worth Kev doing a comparison, as we need to check the veracity of these claims. If not true - then fair enough. But I’m hoping there are improvements worth an upgrade.
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Thank you @glucas… And thank you also, for the long list of improvements over Paradise, I hadn’t read up on this, so I am much obliged… I think, like all things in life, unless you have walked in the severe/profound person’s shoes, you can never quite grasp the nettle… For me, these aids are different, it is not a fundamental difference, more of a subtle difference, but that is enough to inspire me with a new found confidence… Suffice to say, I like these Naida Lumity’s a lot! Cheers Kev
Edit; If I may add, everything is relative, I have been thinking about what I said above, a subtle difference for most HOH folks isn’t a game changer, it’s just an incremental improvement, but for the severe/profound losses, it is a massive improvement on overall clarity, even 5 or 10% is massive for us guys, we have so little residual hearing left, therefore IMO, that is more than enough to take that leap of faith, and buy these aids… As always, YMMV… Cheers Kev
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Regarding your friend Peter, maybe his hearing aids are too loud, especially his voice, so he thinks he’s speaking well but is actually speaking softly.
Even if he was already at the initial adjustment, it wouldn’t be bad if he went again and unscrewed the iN-situ measurement.
I noticed that when I get used to the sound of the hearing aid, over time I get the feeling that it is too loud, so I had to adjust it again. maybe because the brain got used to those sounds that were too quiet before and we had a greater need to amplify them.
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Yeah @markoo355, I am the proverbial world’s worst for speaking too quietly… In mitigation, with full shell moulds, I have no vents whatsoever, and my ears feel plugged, all of the time, so I think I am speaking normally, in actual fact I am speaking way too quietly, but I was never able to adjust correctly… Cheers Kev
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When someone has shelled out $2,500 plus for a 2020, 2021, 2022 Phonak Paradise (double that for two aids) you don’t upgrade to a Lumity for a “subtle difference”. Now if you want to trial a new power aid and don’t have the Paradise UP, then by all means pick the Lumity over the Paradise.
Good list of Lumity features Glucas. One comment though. There’s a big difference between respected Audi or Dr. Cliff saying new Phonak Lumity HA’s are the most significant leap forward in sound processing in nearly a decade versus just repeating what Phonak claims when advertising the new aid.
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I didn’t say the claim came from Dr Cliff - I know the quote came from Phonak.
If Kev finds that these aids are a significant improvement, that’s enough for me. Don’t forget that @JordanK on this forum has already endorsed the Lumitys.
Yes, Phonak make some claims that make me scratch my head, like the waterproof claim that has been debunked, but I’m not sure this is just a “subtle difference” update.
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Lumity didn’t come with a hardware platform upgrade but IMHO, the software innovations are very significant. These hearing aids seem to be much more aware of what is going on around you vs other hearing aids and they have this very unique ability to detect and instantaneously zoom in on speech (and other sounds) regardless of the direction the sound is coming from and the direction you are facing. Best example I can give as follows: You are sitting in an auditorium listening to a lecture. You hear the speaker on the stage really well. Someone behind you suddenly asks a question and the hearing aids instantly lock onto the person behind you and you hear them perfectly. The guy on the right side of you leans over to ask you a question…and you hear them too. Not sure how Lumity does this (Autosense 5.0?) but the hearing aids seems to rapidly react to direction and to the changing sound environment (Music, speech in noise, outdoor) so quickly and the transitions happen seamlessly.
It’s not perfect but it is really significant. So much so that once my trial of Lumity finished and I started into my trial of the Resound Omnia, I couldn’t stand the Omnia hearing aids because they lacked this level of intelligence.
Best advice I can give is to trial both types of hearing aids (Paradise and Lumity) and decide for yourself.
Jordan
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Yeah folks, did the busy & challenging restaurant, over a hundred people in there at lunch time, tried both aids, Naida P90’s & Naida L90’s, the clarity was significant enough for me to justify the cost, these Lumity’s IMO are excellent aids, they work well in noise, but you have to be in close proximity, 3 to 4 feet away, is the optimal distance in noise, and anything beyond that, you will start to struggle, the further away you are from the speaker, the harder it is to get any significant contextual information… I struggled with the Naida P90’s, they just don’t have the same clarity, even when I used the Roger On in presenter mode, it was good, but not absolutely clear, but for some unknown reason, when I switched to the Naida L90’s again in presenter mode, it was pristine… A lot of folks might baulk at the price, but in the UK, we are a fair bit cheaper than the States, at around £3k for the pair, fully fitted and as many follow up visits as deemed necessary, that’s about $3,700 USD, from Boots Hearingcare… For me, I have saved the money for these Lumity’s already, I started saving directly after I got the Naida Paradise aids, and when I buy these, I shall repeat that process again, for the next iteration of Naida I just want to have the best, that I can afford, and if I save , then, I can easily afford them… Do I recommend these Lumity’s, yes I do, they are a cut above the Naida Paradise aids, clarity is excellent, speech in noise is good, they aren’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but for the severe/profound threshold they are well worth a trial, they might just suit your needs, within certain limitations, as always, we HOH compromise … Cheers Kev
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I’m hopeful. A year from now I hope to be fitted with whatever they come up with next in Audeo line. I’m eligible at the beginning of September, but if the new stuff comes out after the contract changeover in May, I’ll have to wait until next contract changeover in Nov to get the next gen stuff. I was disappointed that there was no HW change in lumity. But if the SW improved that much, it is all good.
WH
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Thank you for your input @JordanK, I agree with your sentiments about Lumity’s aids, there is for me a fundamental difference, in the overall listening experience, especially in quieter environments, I am not straining to hear folks, which is unusual for me, I feel relaxed using them… In truth, I feel, these aids are just different, but why they are different is perhaps beyond my scope of understanding? cheers Kev 
Edit; I am aware, I have said there isn’t a fundamental difference, and it is more of a subtle difference, in truth it is perhaps both, depending on the acoustic environment, my apologies for any confusion… Cheers Kev