Oticon More1 vs Phonak P90 - | PROS and CONS | [2021/11]

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#14

I also said in the next post about them what they can do the good job if they are fiting correctly.

I also can mention what I was wearing rexton day 6, an old model,(around 10 years old) until this year, and they really helped me to hear better, and understand speech. It’s not comparable with the curent modern Oticon, but was doing the job.

But agree, would be more effective if I mentioned this in a single message all together to not misleading others.

Hope the users will read this message too, in order to have a more complete ideea about Rexton brand.

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#15

I rarely switch programs on the More 1; unless I am in a noisy environment with lots of noise and or voices, then I go to the Speech in Noise program, otherwise I stay in Program 1. I also find that whether I am in the default program or in the program that I use in a noisy environment, I hear all of the voices in close proximity, clearly. Sometimes, I also hear others a ways away clearly in those environments. It depends on the frequencies and the kind of noise that is present. They are very effective and very natural.

The other evening I attended a meeting and I could hear the speakers clearly in front of me and I could pick up the sounds of the person sitting to my left using his phone. His phone would make a small chime as he cycled through his texts/emails. I could also pick up the sounds of people walking around. My brain could then choose which of those sounds to focus on.

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#16

@jdc1117 Thank you for the feedback.
So in your case, the first program is doing almost all the job.

It’s fantastic how you describe the hearing of the sounds around you.

Would be very useful for us to know your audiogram.
Can you share it with us?
https://www.hearingtracker.com/audios

PS: I just saw the values of your audiogram in your profile description
What MiniFit Speaker are you using? 85db or more?

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#17

@habasescu.nicu:

To answer perhaps some of your questions:

  1. I’m still trying to figure out what MoreSoundBooster does. It does seem to block out noises coming from behind and to the sides, allowing me to focus better on what’s in front, but the effect doesn’t seem to be equally pronounced in every situation [Edit: The longer I experiment with this feature, the less it seems to do - and I can’t explain why that is so!];
  2. I use the default program 80->90% of the time (I use this to the exclusion of MyMusic, which I don’t like);
  3. The other 10-20% of the time I use Speech in Sound, which I find very effective, even if it is a bit shrill (it doesn’t respond like a traditional beam-former, IMO), as well as a smattering of T-coil and Remote Mic 1&2;
  4. The simple equalizer in the ON app is good enough to provide okay trimming of my streaming audio. I don’t need anything more.

I hope this provides you with some information.

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#19

Yes, I am using 85db speakers.

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#20

My post on another thread: Anyone tried Widex Moment vs Signia AX ? (or Phonak Paradise)

Someone else’s comparative review: Comparative Review of KS10, Oticon Opn S 1 & Oticon More 1

Other similar threads:

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#21

Just to clarify this Phonak P90 con #2, while it’s design to work using front beam forming, I think that this is probably only activated when there’s speech in noise, right? I don’t think that it’s always front beam forming 100% of the time. So it’s not necessarily a limitation for normal usage in general if it’s not activated. But I agree that it’s a limitation in a noisy environment when Autosense automatically activates it, and you want to be aware of more things going on behind you or on your sides, like a waiter asking you something when he’s behind you or on your side. or be able to hear background music better, etc.

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#22

But why? You mention you have read through the boards here and there are many different review posts for each of these as well as them together. And further to the point - the biggest issue is that it is practically impossible to say what aid will work best (given that is such a varied term) with any individual person. An aid could sound amazing for me and terrible for the next person with an identical loss. I get asking questions and doing just an individual review, which I have done as well. I do not think we need a guide which will just get lost in the fray eventually.

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#23

Yes, this gets into the brain part of the equation. How long has the person been without hearing? How well will the brain re-acquaint itself with the hearing input and make sense of it? No two people are the same. And an issue that one may accept and work through/around, another may not. How many hearing aids have we heard about that got stuffed in drawers because the new owner got frustrated and quit? I know I’ve heard of a surprising number. Motivation, shame, and probably number of other social issues for which I have no awareness, probably come into play.

Edit: spelling

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#24

[:joy: I apologize for this being off-topic - but I should automatically add EDIT1: spelling/EDIT2: syntax/EDIT3: grammar on the end of everything I post!]

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#25

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#26

I am a bit skeptical regarding this.
If the hearing aids it’s programmed exactly like your aids, the person should hear like you.

The size of ear and the molds can influence a bit, but no so much.

Do you want to say what the brains can be so different and perceive sounds in a completely different way, regarding the physical hearing loss being the same?

#27

You can be skeptical, but it isn’t my job to fix. I started to write a thesis. But nope.

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#28

If this were the case, it would seem we would all agree on what the best aids are. Instead we get fairly random comments that “x” aid was awful beause: (fill in the blank) Aids should sound pretty much alike if tuned properly. What does differ is features ranging from apps, button functionality, ability to deal with feedback (although domes/molds greatly influence this) streaming, bluetooth compatibilility, etc.

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#29

If you want to interpret it that way, then sure. Talk to hearing specialists and audiologists. The brain plays a pretty major role in interpreting sound. That’s why good specialists always recommend you try more than one type of aid.

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#30

@habasescu.nicu: Again, I must challenge you for making assertions that are not supported by facts. If you do more reading here on the site, you will soon discover just how individual hearing perception and HA fitting are.

It’s not like spectacles where you measure an aberration and have a standard correction for it, according to the laws of physics.

[Edit: If I allow this false assertion to go unchallenged, I’m facilitating the propagation of a myth that causes many new users to have false expectations (that they will hear as well as someone else did who has the same aids) resulting in their making poor choices of devices and failing to appreciate the degree to which their own “brain retraining” is crucial to the satisfaction they derive from their HAs and to the successful long-term treatment of their individual and particular hearing loss.]

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#31

Yeah Jim, I have yet to see 2 exact audiograms, you will see very similar, but IMO never exact… They are kinda like fingerprints, or Perhaps DNA, your hearing loss is unique to you as an individual… If you then throw in the mix, things like, Recruitment, Hyperacusis, or Tinnitus, then add your likes, and dislikes to say music, not to mention, how long you have been aided, and ultimately the actual sound emerging from each aid is slightly different, even if two aids are set up exactly the same, for a similar loss, you might like the sound from that Oticon, but I might hate it, but the Phonak sounds better to me, and vice versa… It is such a diverse subject, and only trialling an aid over an extensive period fills in the blanks, although if you are a fairly experienced user, you know fairly quickly if these new aids will cut the mustard, YMMV… Cheers Kev :wink:

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#32

The same hearing loss (same audiogram) could have many different physical causes, without even considering brain function. An audiogram is a very imprecise description of hearing loss. All it tells you is the approximate amount that a limited set of pure tones is attenuated.

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#33

No, that isn’t the case. Aids by different manufacturers are different; they have different characteristics. Also, people have different hearing loss and unlike with eye glasses, the same prescription does not result in the same correction. Some frequencies are gone for good. Hearing aids help us to understand speech, which is their primary goal, but different brands use different methods to do so.

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#34

We can agree to disagree. There’s very little evidence to cite except anecdotes. My opinion is based on a few studies that seem to suggest little difference. One showing most people couldn’t tell the difference between “advanced” aids and basic aids and another showing some people preferring placebo aids to the real thing. There’s also evidence to suggest that a good hearing aid fitter makes a difference. The other thing that really influences my opinion is the way hearing aid manufacturers market. It’s generally nebulous market hype rather than any kind of objective data. I do think different manufacturers have different “flavors” that come through with their default settings, but I think that can be altered by a good hearing aid fitter. But again, this is just my opinion.

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