New aid experience - Siemens Pure 701

Greetings,

  First time posting, but I have been reading many threads for several months. Much of what I am about to write will not be "new" to many members or those who have worn aids for a fair amount of time. Very long post ahead.

  I suppose I just wanted to detail my entire first experience for others who may be undecided upon aid purchase and who frequent forums looking (albeit in my case "hiding") for some information to guide their decision. I always research things to death. Especially "tech" type purchases.

I was born with Sensorineural hearing loss. It gradually got worse through my teens (now 48). Looking back through my records, an aid approach was first mentioned when I was 17 or so. Due to my personality and (worrying about what people would say), I never would entertain the idea of an aid. I also needed glasses from 7 years old and had them…but never wore them in public until I was 18. Got contacts at 22 and solved THAT “problem”. Another reason I feared getting an aid - My head has been shaved since my early twenties.

It took me decades to finally approach the matter. Granted technology has advanced considerably and allowed for many discrete choices. But the main deciding factor was this; My son is a talented Theatre actor. He will be entering his Junior year of college in the Fall. I was finally sick and tired of myself being so foolish and worrying about what other people would think of me. I was NOT going to miss any more of his (and the other fine actors) dialogue.

I started reading threads here and found many dealing with the “worry” I had. Thank you to all who wrote about their experience and advice. I also gathered some facts to help me with my purchase.

I began my purchase at an online site that details all the models offered. You then place a call and they find a certified audiologist in your area. All tests/appointments are covered in the price listed. The service has been impeccable. I financed through Care Credit with no interest for a year. They also supply a years worth of batteries.

After completing the initial evaluation, my doctor recommended Siemens Pure 701/ $1995.00 per aid. He said he based his decision on their technology and what they could do to help my condition. It was determined that at this point in my life, I have lost 60 -70 percent of my hearing. Both the person that administered the test and the doctor could not believe I had been able to “get by” this long. Of course it was me being “stupid” for that long.

Further, he of course wanted me to have two aids. I instantly balked at that during the first visit. It had taken me over 40 years to get the courage/sense up and now he wanted me to wear two??!! Couldn't do it. So I signed the waiver to refuse the second one. He said he would not be able to get me to where he wanted, but would of course work with getting one aid to do its best.

Both my ears are almost identical in their loss. We went with the right ear. My wife was there for the first fitting. About a minute after I had it on he asked "how does that sound?" He also had my wife speak to me. They were both only a couple of feet away. I think my brain did not know what to do at that point and i was hearing more with my left ear still. So I asked for a little more volume. that worked. He took my wife out into the hall about 20 feet away and told her to ask me what I wanted to do for dinner in a normal speaking voice. I could hear her voice the first time but not all the words. He had her raise her voice slightly and I heard every word. Cool.

I have been getting about 12 days on each battery. I wear the aid from 6:30 AM until 10:30 PM weekdays and from when I get up to bed time on weekends. You NEED to give your brain time to adjust to/learn all these new sounds. The first few days were awesome. I won't detail every little thing I heard but in general...nature sounded lovely again. Birds, animals, wind, rain, the full spectrum of thunder...etc. Some harsh things were running water, paper, plastic...anything fairly high in tone. I was also getting feedback whenever I was within a foot or so of another object. Restaurants/bars were very "tiring". Way too many sounds at once.

They re-ran the feedback program and all was cured. I have to put my hand basically right on top to cause feedback. Interestingly, I can still wear my headphones with TV with the aid on with no feedback. I prefer the headphones as the sound is far superior since the TV speakers on the LCD are crap. So not really the fault of the aid. We left the input volume of the aid at the same level. They explained to me that a lot of the harshness and tinny sounds was my brain trying to make sense of all these "new' high pitched sounds. Sure enough, by the next two week visit I hardly "noticed" those high sounds. The aid has the capability for 5 or 6 programs. However my doctor feels I should "learn" to hear again with just this one level for a while. I tend to agree.

I am now about a month and a half in. I just basically "hear" now without concentrating so much on what I am hearing. All the pitches sound normal now. Music is unbelievable, especially Jazz and Classical. I have been a drummer since I was 10 years old (And yes, always protected my ears. The loss is completely a physical degeneration). Last weekend we went to see a band and I decided to try leaving it in as we were seated to the right of the stage and the speakers were angled in towards the dance floor. I was able to leave it in all night without discomfort. I also sat in with the band and played. No monitor at the drums (as the drummer wears in-ears) and the PA was in front of me. Playing was incredible. I haven't felt those drums like that since my early teens.

So, for those considering a purchase...Please find a professional and move forward with it. There is absolutely no reason to wait like I did. You are NOT going to regain hearing to the point of a newborn with perfect ears. You will however gain improvement. While I don't think I have heard anything that I have NEVER heard, I certainly have been missing a great amount of hearing and just foolishly accepted the fact.

In another month or so I will be purchasing the second aid. I am now truly looking forward to being able to dial in more directional sound input. Very few people have noticed the aid. Once in a very great while I notice a person's eye's move towards my ear and back. No one has said a thing. But honestly....I have no cares at all to what anyone thinks. I am just happy and proud that I can hear.

Excellent report.

How is the sound quality? Would you call it Hi-Fi, or when listening to music (for instance) does it sound like it’s coming from an additional mic/speaker?

Do you have noise reduction turned on? If so, how much?

Hello Grant,

While listening to music, be it home stereo, car audio or as I mentioned a live band, the sound is clear and “normal”. I know the sound description you are alluding to with “sound like it’s coming from an additional mic/speaker”. None if it has that tonal quality. Again, being a musician, I feel the quality is what my ears would hear “normally”, if they actually worked correctly. :wink:

I would concur that during the first couple of weeks when I was experiencing all sounds having an “electronic” type tone to them, I may had answered on the side of what you mentioned. But now as my ears and brain have adjusted, I just hear clear concise music (and everything else).

On a slight side note…I thought I did pretty well with the 1995.00 price, all office visits included…etc. But then I read in another thread about Kirklands (which I had never heard of) being available at Costco (not a member). People noted to some other posters that Kirklands were basically made from the same components as my Siemens Pure 701. I decided to take a quick look at the Costco site and saw that the “premium Kirklands” were 1999.00…for a pair! :frowning:

I know one must try and purchase what benefits their own condition. But did I NOT do well? Might be worth considering Costco. Although the nearest one is 45 minutes away.

Sorry…forgot to answer the noise reduction question. Honestly, I do not know if it is turned on. I can tell you I still only have one program activated so far. During each visit they take the aid and hook it up to their computer and check/program it as needed. Based I assume on my input/experience since the previous visit.

I think you can do several programs with that model. I’m going to trial a similar one and will set up one program (at least) for speech and another for music. From my reading the music program should have less noise reduction and feedback cancellation that the speech one. They also recommend less gain or amplification (at the pre-amp stage if possible), but that’s for live music use (an attempt to prevent clipping and distortion). Most of my music listening is canned (CD or LP), so I don’t know if I will change the gain.

the Siemens Pure 701 RICs have 5 program slots. none of my guys have found a reason to use all 5. my standard setup (assuming they are not first time users) is program 1 normal/auto, 2 is BT phone (as they all get a Tek or miniTek) 3 is the Tek or miniTek, 4 is speech focus (mostly for in the car to hear shotgun or backseat passengers). we have tried speech in noise, outdoors, music etc… most of the guys end up not using them and just stay on 1.

Doc Jake, I don’t understand the difference between 2 and 3. Can you explain? I suspect 2 is phone and 3 is some “streaming” like device or (external) telecoil, but I didn’t realize the HA programming would be different.

slot 2 has to be the BT phone connection if you want one. Slot 3 connects to your Tek or miniTek and puts the sound directly into your ears (in stereo) most of my guys use it with their TVLink to watch TV.

OK thanks. I thought that if you selected Tek/miniTek then you were basically changing the HA input to the wireless input (and optionally the built-in HA mic) … then the wearer selects the input on the Tek/miniTek. But I guess what you say makes sense to reduce the number of things a wearer has to do to change from conversation to phone (or TV etc).

once you select the prog slot for the Tek you can select either the TVLink or the device you have corrected to the Tek with a cable. once you plug a cable into the Tek you get whatever is on the end of the cable and not the TVLink) if you select the slot for the miniTek then on the miniTek you can rotate through 2 TVLinks and a whole list of device that can connect to it via BT (pc, mp3, etc) once you connect with the miniTek via the program control on either the aids or the miniTek you then can rotate through multiple devices connected to the mini. most of my guys older guys go with the Tek, larger buttons and direct access. younger or techie guys go with the miniTek.

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Thanks so much for your comprehensive post. I know it helps me and others.

Another feature of the newer Siemens 701 Carat aids is a Tinnitus masker program option. Also, adding a telephone-coil can be very helpful for users who live in nursing homes where “loops” have been installed in the dining room. They can switch to the t-coil and have better success hearing others.

I am 100% deaf right Ear and 30% hear loss at left. I am planning to purchase siemens motion 701 cic as my career requires me to presides periodical meetings for a construction project.

I want to know from those HA users if in a conference room equipped with window type air conditioner will affects the performance of siemens motion 701 cic? Is this HA effectively help me to understand what others may say on the meeting?

How far (how many meters) is the distance of the speaker so that I may understand well what he is saying?

Thank you.

Might I suggest you consider the Pure 701 Xcel model instead of the CIC? My reasoning is that one of your ears is unusable, your good ear needs all the help it can get, and picking a hearing aid that uses multiple microphones, in my opinion, would better serve you in all the environments you might find yourself in.

In rooms with noise, the directionality system in the Pure’s would do more to preserve the speech and minimize the noise. As for distance, realistic usable distances with respect to hearing aid microphones peaks out at roughly 10 feet but this is also dependant of the intensity of sound.

I hope this helps.

I realize you were recommending this because of the extra mic, but I wonder if you know whether or not the XCEL technology is in the pipeline for the 701 CIC, ITC or ITE? (I think custom is only available in the Motion line?)

At this time, the XCEL technology is available in the Pure, Eclipse and Motion BTE lines. I am sure it will be inclusive in the custom product lines shortly. There is a new product launch coming soon for Siemens (so I have been told).

Do you think it’s a useful technology for an “experienced” user, or just as a first-fit kind of thing?

I was been told that excel is only available in BTE while 701 CIC is the latest with the best sound Tech.
The price 701 CIC is considerably high and I think it would be a great help for a single ear.
My goal is to understand what are people saying in a meeting around a table with 10 feet long saying that I will seat at the end corner and want to understand the other guy in the other end.
I am currently using a 2 channel HA CIC but the background noise is annoying but I can say it helps a little. If 701 CIC have 16 channels then I think its a powerful HA.

Does this guy work for Siemens or what???

XCEL has now been announced in the CIC’s. Does Rexton offer this same thing?

Also Siemen’s “transmitter” now has a microphone input.