Musician, Widex, one year in

It’s been about a year and I recently found this forum. After going through cancer treatment a dozen years ago, I realized my hearing took a big hit and I started doing research on hearing aids. I heard an interview with Steve Lukather talking about Widex. Jumping ahead, I ended up getting Moment 440s.

I thought I’d share my experience - maybe it might help someone.

Widex advertises being the hearing aid for musicians. This is sort of true. Widex may be the best on the market but these are a long way from perfect.

I believe the technology in these hearing aids is amazing, especially the .05 ms latency, but the software and set up is lacking in a big way. I have had mine adjusted 7 times, the last 2 times in the past week and this is a year after first getting them!

Our ears are so amazing, there are no hearing aids that can equal what ears can do. That was a stunning thought.

In getting the hearing aids and setting them up, it was a very unnatural situation. The small room is no way to check a real world experience. One huge downfall is the HAs cannot be adjusted in real time.

When I first got them mostly set up, it was amazing hearing things I hadn’t heard in a long time, or I hadn’t heard the total sound - my guitar, piano, singing, etc.

It was an experience to get the hearing aids adjusted, come back in a week, do it again. Frustrating. There was no sound system like a portable stereo music player to check the adjustments at the appointment.

About 10 months in, I realized The sound I was hearing was not the actual sound of the source and there were some high end issues. It’s impossible to do any recording and mixing if you are not hearing the real sound of the instruments or voices. When I told my audiologist esses were extremely hyped and soft rain on my windshield sounded like stones, she apparently didn’t know what the frequencies were that needed adjusting.

I am very much into recording and software and one day it hit me I had the very thing to test frequencies. I set up my recording software with various music tracks, dialog, tv show voices etc., across a number of tracks, and then put an EQ on the master bus. This is how I was able to see 7k had a huge boost, and there was also an issue with 1k and 3k. Pulling 7k down 12dB with a Q of about 20, made the HAs sound more natural. Yes, 12 dB! Why there was such an extreme in that range I have no idea. I thought (wrongly) that I’d be able to take the specific frequencies and dB amounts and match them with the Widex software. Nope.

So I made an appointment to get another adjustment at 10 months. Unfortunately, here’s another place Widex drops the ball besides not being to adjust these in real time: The software for adjusting hearing aids doesn’t have a Q setting, and there is no 7k! There are huge gaps between adjustable frequencies instead of a constant line of infinite frequencies found in my own software.

My audiologist thought 12dB was extreme and suggested we try a 2dB drop. It was almost no difference. Finally we reached a point where we mutually decided to go to 6dB less on the 7k, which had to be adjusted by pulling down 8k!

Widex focuses on speech and it’s tricky to make it work and imprecise as well, but after going through this process, I finally have something that’s a little more comfortable.

In my opinion, a hearing center exam room, should have a decent full range sound system and Widex should have better software. (There were many more software issues as well, but this post is too long already.)

Hope this helps.
Good luck, and don’t give up!

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I agree that having a sound system there to adjust your hearing aids should be a must.

The issue is the time that is necessary to get the hearing aid dialed in, and as they say: "time is money. "

Clearly the lack of enough time to get one’s hearing aid dialed in and the back and forth has led folks to go the DIY route.

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@Bill_K Here is a link to an article which describes a detailed audio assessment of the Widex Moment hearing aids - enjoy:
https://audioxpress.com/article/fresh-from-the-bench-widex-moment-mric-rd-hearing-aid

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Did you have Real Ear Measurement (REM)?

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Brent was brutally honest about BT streaming in that article . . . :wink:

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Fantastically interesting!

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Yes I did. The testing was extensive.

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Only problem is it’s from 2021, and the latest iterations from Phonak, Oticon, Starkey, and ReSound are all 2024, so there have been advances.
BT streaming will never be as good as a pair of Etymotics, Ultimate Ears, Westone, or Shure, but with a good fit, and Music program they all do an adequate job for casual listening.
The real test is listening at a Live event, or a good HT system.
My Oticon Intents are great for me with a custom Music program both with Live, recorded, and with my Sennheiser HD6XX cans over the Intents through my Asus Xonar Essence soundcard HP amp.

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Clearly the lack of enough time to get one’s hearing aid dialed in and the back and forth has led folks to go the DIY route.

As user990 says. DYI is really the only way for a musician.

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Hello Bill K,
Sorry to hear about your hearing experience. You’re right -‘don’t give up’.
It is extraordinary that the long and intricate training of audiologists has had so little to say until very recently about music. The mantra is ‘speech in noise’ …and one outcome, I think, is that manufacturers have become clever with that one, but still not cottoned on to music and how much it means, emotionally and cognitively.

I’m a vintage hearing aid user, starting with the harsh and literally deafening state-provided instruments of 30 years ago. And… yes I love music, and am BBC studio trained. So I cringed at the missing bass, inappropriate pacing of volume compression, ‘pumping’, clogged high harmonics…

That was until one wonderful day two years ago when, working with a quite basic pair of obsolete Phonak M70s , a young health service audiologist questioned me in detail about what I could or could not hear. Long story short, she brought up the lows while we both talked, finessed overall volume compression (not multi band) while I whispered/shouted, then invited me to play my own keyboard while she adjusted high end roll-off to match my ears! Previously, the unheard high musical harmonics had been pushing overall level down, resulting in a jittering of level.

What moves me greatly, is that this lovely person told me her long training had not included music, it’s an optional extra. We were both thrilled by the results of her creativity. And it did not take unusual clinical time.

As for Widex - yes the company is inspired by the musical sensibility of Dr Marshall Chasin and it’s the brand I most often hear praised for fidelity. Probably forever beyond my budget, but I hope Widex will look into the issues you raise. Real time, detailed fine-tuning? Yes please! And good luck to you, too.

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For me as well. And that is why I just ordered a set of 9050s from Costco. And the very next day – while I am waiting for my fitting next week - I ordered a Noahlink 2. I am not a musician, but I retired out of a lifetime of selling both crazy $ high end consumer audio products and HQ recording studio gear, so I know how good my music can sound. I trialled a set of the vaunted Phonak Spheres a months ago and I walked away very, very disappointed. BT streaming was abysmal (open domes without any occlusion) and wearing them while listening to my main music system – nearfield powered desktop studio monitors fed from a DAC – was seriously depressing. I have thought about trialing Widex because of their reputation but then I run into the retired budget wall. I could afford them but . . . :roll_eyes:

Anyways, I am heading down the DIY route to see if I can get something that will be good . . . enough.

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Why were open domes used during streaming? I am not surprised by the poor sound quality with that type of acoustic coupling due to a lot of sound leaking outside the ear canal.

You probably could be eligible for a MAV receiver (ActiveVents), but I’m not sure if the hearing loss in the higher frequencies could be an obstacle. The re is checklist to qualify patiets to ActiveVents receivers.

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Alternative path to take:
Remove hearing aids
Listen to music from a digital source converted to analog by an RME adi device (this is a Digital to Analog convertor with inbuilt headphone amplifier that has Parametric Equalisation separately adjustable for left and right channels) via high quality headphones.

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Looking forward to hearing how the 9050s work out for you…I’m considering them for my next pair of hearing aids, whenever that will be. Currently unhappily listening to flat music with my P90s.

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Do you have the Manual Dedicated Music program enabled? Phonak’s autosense music program is NONsense!

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It was my 1st trial and I wasn’t expecting to wear a pair home for a week. I went to the audi on a referral from a friend so she plunked a pair of Spheres on me, did a 5 minute fit and we made an app’t for a week later. It was a classic puppy dog sale and she obviously thought that I was a slam dunk. I had to go online to find out anything about them. She did herself and the brand no favours.

I have thought up numerous paths – software or hardware eq etc – but since I need HAs anyway , I figure I will try to get them as good as I can before I spend any audio $s.

I will post a thread and let you know.

BTW . . . my apologies to the OP @Bill_K for the derail . . . but your experiences with Widex are certainly of interest to many of us. Thanks!

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She should at least gave you power domes even if she wanted to fit you quickly.

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Thanks! I don’t think I have that enabled. Here’s a screenshot of the only thing I have on my phone. I think the audiologist adjusted it but I don’t know.

What acoustics are you using? Domes…molds
Thanks

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Moulds. Hope that helps!

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