How will AI design hearing aids so they work?

Hearing Aids
#32

I think we agree………….::

#33

What Dome should I use on my Phonak Audeo Paradise P90 hearing aids.

AI says:

When it comes to selecting the right domefor your Phonak Audeo Paradise P90hearing aids, it’s essential to consider comfort, fit, and your specific hearing needs. Let’s break it down:

  1. Dome Types:
  • Phonak offers various dome styles, each serving different purposes:
    • Open Domes: These allow natural sound to flow into your ear canal and are suitable for mild to moderate hearing loss. They provide comfort and ventilation.
    • Closed Domes: These offer more sound isolation and are ideal for moderate to severe hearing loss. They enhance bass and reduce feedback.
    • Power Domes: Designed for severe to profound hearing loss, these provide a snug fit and better low-frequency amplification.
    • Tulip Domes: These combine the benefits of open and closed domes, providing a balance between natural sound and isolation.
    • Custom Molds: For a personalized fit, consider custom-made molds created from impressions of your ear canal.
  1. Criteria for Changing Domes:
  • Dome Wear and Tear: Replace the dome if it’s torn or if it easily comes off.
  • Hygiene: Regularly clean the dome to prevent wax buildup.
  • Auditory Changes: If you notice a change in hearing, consider changing the dome.
  • Recommendations: Follow your audiologist’s advice on dome replacement intervals.
  1. Cerushield Wax Filters:
  • These tiny filters protect your hearing aid from wax and debris.
  • Change them when you notice reduced sound quality or every 2 to 3 months.
  • Some users may not detect the need for a filter change, so follow the recommended schedule.
  • Handle them with care during replacement.

Remember that individual preferences and ear anatomy play a role. Consult your audiologist for personalized guidance on selecting the right dome for your Phonak Audeo Paradise P90 hearing aids

#34

Widex claim to have used AI in the following way with their Moment HA as follows:

  1. My Widex HAs are connected to the Moment app in my iPhone which is setup for data over the mobile network.
  2. I ask the Moment app for hearing setting recommendations in my current situation
  3. A sample of sound from my current situation is sent over the internet to Widex’s AI computer.
  4. The Widex AI computer analyses the sound and sends back 2 recommendations for improving hearing to the Moment app.
  5. I trial each recommendation and either select one or ask back for more recommendations… If the latter, then steps 3, 4 and 5 are repeated until I accept a recommendation,

All quite practical in its use of AI as my HAs are too small to fit an AI processor in. Rather mundane and not technically exotic but a sensible way to use AI to help the HA user.

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#35

Widex indeed has a very smart way of utilizing AI. In a way, it is a real time system that queries the preferences of users and use it to enhance their system.

It’s possible that they send over an actual sample of sound over the air wirelessly back to their system. It’s actually quite feasible as people can listen to compressed digital audio like Spotify or iTunes over the internet easily. So it wouldn’t be an issue to send a real sound scene sample back to Widex.

It’s also possible that they send back the condensed and analyzed result of the sound scene sample instead of the actual raw digital audio data of the sound scene sample, simply as to not to tax your cellular data usage too much, because the condensed data sent back would be much less information than the raw digital audio data that would have to be sent back.

And it’s smart to get the users involved to give their own feedback of their impression of the A/B recommendations back to Widex. That is the ultimate valuable feedback information they can get from users. It also allows their AI training to be behind the scene backstage where it should be. The other advantage of this setup is that they continue to get real time feedback from users to continually improve their decision makings of how to process the sound scene → basically how to best tweak the knobs on the sound processing parameters to get the best results, according to the users themselves, because they’re the ultimate judges of how things sound to them. It’s almost as if there’s an HCP live behind the scene that can continuously and remotely adjust the hearing aids’ parameters to the users’ satisfaction.

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#36

In my mind, hearing aids in the future will have a higher artificial intelligence so that phone apps will be obsolete. You would simply tell them what you would like to do, similar to Google Assistant, and direct them to recognize some situations automatically and respond appropriately.

I chose driving my car as an example because it seems to me that the background noise is usually pretty consistent. A future hearing aid with AI should be able to recognize the typical engine and tire noise automatically when I begin driving, and also recognize my radio or my wife speaking as a sound to be emphasized over the background noise.

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#37

For me it would just put my aids on and forget about them and let them do what needs to be done.

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#38

We all are looking forward to the day where hearing aids are that smart, but they aren’t yet in reality.

To me, the ultimate hearing aid is the one that lets me hear almost like a normal person, not a hearing aid that is subjected to my wishes and commands. That’s because sometimes, one’s wish may apply in one situation but not others.

For example, if I tell the hearing aids that I want them to suppress all road noises. Then one time I’m not driving but walking along the sidewalk next to a busy road, or maybe one time I’m riding a bike, and I forget to cancel the road noise suppression wish, then I no longer become aware of road noises when I should be to watch out for traffic.

Of course that’s just one small example. I may be in a very noisy restaurant and I tell the hearing aids to only pick up the voice in front of me. But then my waiter sneaks up behind me and started asking me questions and I would be oblivious to even know that the waiter is behind me and talking to me.

Nor do I wish to be in a cocoon all the times and just want to have selective hearing from the hearing aids. By doing so, I don’t think I would be doing any favor to my brain hearing by artificially keeping me in a world of sound isolation like that. I’d rather hear everything well like a normal hearing person and be able to use my brain hearing to tune into what I want to hear and tune out what I don’t want to hear. Otherwise, I’m kind of enabling the hearing aids to handicap my brain hearing into a total dependency of an artificial world of sounds instead of hearing a real world of sounds.

Environmental sound awareness to me is much more important than selective awareness, because that’s the essence of life to me in the world of hearing, to be able to and want to hear everything around me.

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#39

I agree I want aids that i don’t have to think about at all all day long.

#40

Me too. As it is I’ve fallen in a rabbit hole.

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#41

I posted this link recently. It’s a product that’s heading in that general direction. IYO ONE

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#42

Yes, that would be ideal, but I’ve had a severe hearing loss my entire life and am not expecting this to happen within my remaining lifetime.

My idea (which I realize will not be possible for a long time) would only apply for a limited time. The aids might have been trained to recognize that they are in my car and suppress background sounds from the engine and tires. As soon as I turn off my engine it returns to its regular program. I could do the same thing when I bicycle, although the background noises would probably be more diverse. When I turn on my cycling program they would only suppress the routine background noises that they had been trained on. Other sounds, such as people talking, horns, or loud engine sounds would be recognized as different from background sounds and would be allowed through. Thus, this would be the opposite of being in a cocoon because I would be more aware of non-routine sounds. They would also recognize when I have stopped cycling automatically and change back to their regular program.

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#43

I am very old school when it comes to my vehicles. I want to hear the engine and the tires on the road. I could tell everything that i needed to know about the health of my vehicle from that. I tuned my engines by listening to the way it sounded. I could tell if my tires were okay by the road sounds. I miss being able to do that so much.

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#44

I think you’re describing the ultimate hearing device, not just hearing aid, because a normal person can also make good use out of it as well.

I think we’re talking about AI at 2 different levels and 2 different applications here. You’re aspiring for an AI that is not just smart at compensating for the hearing loss that people like us have, but also has the smart at an interface level to be programmed to our wishes of what/how/when we want to hear the world, according to which situation.

I’m limiting my discussion about AI in hearing aids to within its ability to help make the hearing aids more successful at making up for the hearing losses that people have, not considering any further AI smart that can be developed in its interface in terms of interaction with the users and performing in accordance to the users’ wishes. I think it’s way too far out there that I most likely won’t see it in my lifetime for sure, so I dare not wish for something I’ll probably never see.

Also, I think this thread is more about understanding how AI will be put to work in hearing aids to “make up” for our hearing losses. If it’s about wishing for what AI can do for hearing aids, let me put on a bib first because I know I’m going to start drooling. :grin:

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#45

Me:

Is Phonak using AI to monitor my Phonak Audeo Paradise P90R hearing aids and make them work better?

AI:

Yes, Phonak Audeo Paradise P90 hearing aids utilize artificial intelligence (AI) to enhance your listening experience. Developed with AutoSense OS 4.0, these hearing aids provide an ideal personalized experience in various sound environments1. AutoSense OS 4.0 blends a combination of sound processing features to support different communication needs and lifestyles. It adapts automatically to your surroundings, adjusting settings for optimal performance2. While AutoSense may cover most situations, some users find value in creating custom programs to fine-tune their preferences. For instance, you can modify a Music program to your taste and save it as a manual program, ensuring consistency even in specific scenarios like live music performances2. Ultimately, the choice depends on your personal requirements and preferences. If you ever need adjustments, your audiologist can incorporate your saved modifications into the AutoSense sub-programs during your next visit2. Keep enjoying your Phonak Audeo Paradise P90s! :blush:

Interesting. I wish it worked. My last year and a half has been H*ll and CVA erased their work suggesting I find someone who could help me more

It will be wonderful when Phonak uses AI to determine setup needs to be improved or done-over.

#46

If AI exists, why do I have to select programs manually with my Phonak Audeo Paradise P90R hearing aids?

#47

AI in two seconds!

Artificial intelligence (AI) is indeed a fascinating field, but its implementation in hearing aids can vary. Let’s explore how the Phonak Audeo Paradise P90 R hearing aids handle program selection:

  1. AutoSense OS 4.0:
  1. Customization and Personal Preferences:
  1. Manual Programs:

In summary, while AI-driven AutoSense simplifies program selection for most users, the option for manual customization remains available for those who desire it. Feel free to discuss your preferences with your audiologist to ensure your hearing aids meet your specific needs! :blush::ear::loud_sound:

#48

I’d like to print this and bind it and send it to my dispensing audiologist as a training manual. I wish him well.

And I’m very thankful I have a hearing instrument specialist who is guiding me on a path to get my Phonak Audeo Paradise P90R’s setup properly.

#49

Q?

What settings are necessary for Phonak Audeo Paradisse P90 hearing aids to ensure speech recognition in noise with profound hearing loss?

AI! 2 seconds

Certainly! The Phonak Audéo Paradise P90R hearing aids offer several features that can help enhance your hearing experience, especially in noisy environments. Let’s explore some ways to optimize your hearing aids for better conversation clarity:

  1. **Speech in Noise (AutoSense OS 4.0):**This feature adapts and reduces noise from behind in real time, optimizing the signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) when you’re in noisy surroundings1. Ensure that this setting is enabled to enhance speech understanding while minimizing background noise.
  2. Dynamic Noise Cancellation: Phonak Paradise introduces “Dynamic Noise Cancellation,” which automatically adjusts noise reduction for noisy situations. You can control this feature from your myPhonak app. Experiment with different levels to find the right balance between noise reduction and speech clarity.
  3. Motion Sensors: The new Motion Sensor Hearing feature detects whether you’re stationary or moving and adjusts microphone modes and noise cancellation settings accordingly. Make sure this feature is activated to optimize your hearing experience in various environments.
  4. Environmental Balance: Use the volume control to adjust the balance between streamed audio (e.g., TV, phone calls) and surrounding environmental sounds. This allows you to focus on conversations while still being aware of your surroundings.
  5. WhistleBlock: WhistleBlock differentiates between feedback-like sounds and true feedback, ensuring clear audibility without annoying whistling noises.
  6. **UltraZoom (Directional Microphones):**UltraZoom improves speech intelligibility in background noise. It’s automatically available in the AutoSense OS or can be manually activated.
  7. QuickSync: If you have two hearing aids, QuickSync ensures that volume and program settings are balanced and synchronized between them. Adjust one aid, and the other will follow suit instantly.

Remember to consult your audiologist for personalized adjustments based on your specific hearing needs. They can fine-tune the settings to optimize speech understanding and minimize noise. Additionally, consider exploring the TV Connector setup to stream audio directly from your TV to your hearing aids1.

Lastly, I’m thrilled that you found a skilled practitioner who has improved your hearing aid experience! If you have any further questions or need additional assistance, feel free to ask. :blush:1234

#50

I’m more frustrated with my hearing aids than when I started this thread.

I’ve got monster feedback now. The APP doesn’t help. So I went to Phonak Pro and all the talk I saw there suggests that the hearing instrument specialist can adjust settings through the internet. No audi or hearing instrument specialist has agreed to do that.

audiophile days~too much gain.?.

Frankly I feel the system doesn’t work.

On the other hand AI seems to be brilliant. I believe that future of hearing aids can only improve. Welcome AI.

#51

AI will probably create hearing aids that fact check everything you hear and censor it before it hits your eardrums. That way you will get a constant stream of government approved, politically correct, messages.

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