ok i posted on this inthe regular area they want me to repost here so it is here. i have signia ax5 devices. i have them programed to my phonak audiogram and i have the nal-nl2 formula running. i thought i had the compression turned off, but i was mistaken it wias on and set to 2k to 3k and the bands to the right of those lines was down to the 20db area.
so i just turned off the compression and that area to the right went up to 60 db area. so i will now try then and see if i get an improvement to the wife’s voice. she talks real soft and in the vocla area that is hard to understand.
is you want to see a screenshot of what i have now let em know. thanks
anyway we were talking about this last week. and you sent me to the compression area and self fitting area and in the self fitting i think i did what was suggested. but i must not be understanding the compression or sound recover. in the phonak an audi on the hearing talk site told me that the sound recover was to move the high frequencies down into the area that i could hear, so did i not understand that sound recover terminology?
i have most of this down but the sound recover or compression as aignia calls it. is giving me fits. now it may be the signia aids are not able to move the sounds down?
a few years ago i was on the hearing talk site and asked this question and an audi started helping me and told me to turn on the sound recover on the phonak fitting program and she looked at my audiogram and told me to set the left side to 3k and the right side to 4k and that would take all the sound from the 3k range and above and move it down to below the 3k range. i did that and the voices started to sound way better.
i guess i did that on the signia and it did not seem to do much good. when i had that turned on and set all the bands to the right of those set lines were down to around the 20 db range. so i just turned that off and did a recalculation and did not reset the fine tuning on the recalculations.
i can post a phot of what the settings look like if anyone want to see that now. thanks
pvc that is what i though moving the high bands down onto the lower bands. well it seems it is not working then on the signia aids.
that is what the audi from the hearing talk told me. like i said when i did that on the phonak it worked but i did that on the signia and it did not seem to work.
yes i turned it off during our conversation earlier. i thought it was off but it was on. so i turne it off for now. because we are talking about this i wanted to have us all on the same page. but the questions was i was having issues hearing the wifes voice. also to add to that when watching the tv i have the same issues half the speech i just can’t make out. if i put on my headphones i can hear just about all of the speech from the tv, some of the uk tv shows are a bit hard to decipher with ther accent.
You wrote, that you have difficulties to hear your wifes voice.
Could be that you need more amplification in the higher frequencies.
The piture showing “Simulation” of RIC hearing aids with 120/63 receivers.
What Signia hearing aid model do you have in real ?
Is it the signia ax5 ?
What receivers are connected to the hearing aids?
Perhaps you need stronger receivers for your hearing loss.
ok to get everyone up tp speed. i have the signia ax 5 hearing aids, i do not have them in simulation mode that i know of unless they by default go into that mode?. they have the 2xp receivers they are the 120/63 models
one problem that may be contributing is in the 4k and 6k i do not hear a thing where those marks are that i can understand. what i here are either buzzes or clicks or nothing. the audi had no response in her fitting but becasue i do not have that in my audiogram you do not see it but it is in the 4k 6k 8k ranges
now her voice is not at 80db she has a soft voice but it must be in the 4 to 8 k frequency but at 20 db and as you see in that range i’m not doing well. so that is why that hearing talk site audi told me for the phonak aids to set the sound recover at 3k to 6k . she told me if i understood her correctly that those settings would take the those frequencies and move them down into the 2k to 4k range.
so i tried that with these signia ax5 aids and it seems to not be doing anything. so i’m kind of at a loss for what to do. like i said i’m ready to set them on the shelf for a backup pair and go back to the phonak aids.thanks
OK. It’s clear you are talking about Frequency Compression. Just know that if you mention “compression” to an audiologist, they may think you mean something else other than frequency compression.
It looks like you’re not getting a lot of gain to the higher frequencies. Likely limited by feedback. I don’t know what kind of domes or molds you’re using, but a more occlusive fit could allow more gain at higher frequencies.
Frequency lowering will allow you to hear lower frequencies (you might not like it and it might not help)
but you need to get the settings right. Couple of different approaches you could take. You could just keep lowering the frequencies until it starts helping (or if you start noticing people are lisping and s sounds like sh) Another approach is to start with the maximum settings: Fmin of 1.5 and Fmax of 2.5
and see what happens. You’re likely not hearing anything above about 2.0 kHz right now.
when you say lower the frequency are you say set teh audiogram at lower numbers?
also the fmin fmax are referring to the sound recover and to turn that back on and set the lower number at 1.5 and the higher number at 2.5 and see how it works?
now i have open domes
for the first fit i have this now. it could be the feedback. when i do use closed domes i get my voice bad i may have to deal with it
When I say lower the frequency, I’m talking about Frequency Compression. I’m trying to use the same language as on the screenshot from the programming software to be clear. They label the lower number Fmin and the higher number Fmax so yes.
You might try the closed click sleeves. They would probably allow a little more gain.
Can you give a little more background. It sounds like you had some Phonaks that you liked. Why don’t you still have those? How did you end up self programming with these Signias?
ok i understand now. i have them at i will try the sleeves she gave me again they are the power domes you will see them in the first refit and see how they work but they did make my voice real loud and i get a hiss with them they do let me hear more but everything booms
so i tried the vented domes and the hiss went away and they are not quite as loud but with these installed the sound recover goes away. that must be a normal thing with these aids but that did not happen with the phonak fitting program
so now the sound recover is back on, but seems to have went away for the first photo. and the power domes are installed and a recalculation i hear more yes but it booms and every loud, the background is loud my left ear has a obnoxious static in it. and a feedback did not maybe any difference and a recalculate keeping the fine tuning and rewriting it made no difference. plus my voice is so loud it
so here it is with the vented domes and recalculated and that obnoxious sound went away and this is the fitting
so now you have the sound recover back on and 2 photos of power domes and vented domes take a look and see what you think? also notice the sound recover went away. thanks
Sound Recover and Sound Recover2 are Phonak marketing names for describing Frequency Compression.
But, since you are using (Signia hearing aids and Signia fitting software) you should just call it Frequency Compression to avoid confusion.
Frequency Compression is the name used by Signia, which also happens to be the industry name (Frequency Compression a.k.a. Frequency Lowering) because the sounds are shifted down to lower frequencies, and never up to higher frequencies.
Long story short; Maybe stop using the Phonak buzzwords Sound Recover/Sound Recover2 when describing Signia hearing aids or Signia fitting software.
I think we have a communication problem. My personal recommendation would be to see an audiologist and follow their recommendations. If that is not possible due to finances, I’d suggest getting a step by step guide on programming hearing aids using Connexx and following it to the tee.
I know years ago I watched a couple of videos that were provided by the company for audiologists that were quite good. Does anybody know if they or something similar are still available.
Anybody else want to chime in? I’m out of ideas.
this morning i turned on the frequency compression and this is where the fitting program set the bands to. as you can see it dropped the high frequencies down now and i will see if they moved so that i will understand the wifes voice. if by chance it is not much better would you suggest i move the f min a bit more into the lower frequencies?
i know you suggested this but when i changed out the domes i have to go back thru the first fitting so i could get the change into the program and when i did that i was telling you what i was experiencing. as my audi would be wanting to know so they might make any find tuning do to the dome changes.
i wanted you to see those changes i may be using terms a bit different for this connexx fitting program than what the phonak program uses so as pvc said i will use f min f max frequency compression
so i when thru it step by step showing you as i progressed so you could see what i was seeing just in case i missed a step you might catch it. thanks
So we’re back to the open click sleeves now? I’d try these settings and see if it helps. Does the “s” sound like “sh”? If so, the frequency compression settings are too strong. Setting Fmin to 1.5 is a reasonable thing to try.
