GN Hearing introduces ReSound ONE

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#123

ReSound provides illustration of all 6 mics (or 5) (or 4) working together.

OK. This is from Feature Demonstration in Smart Fit v1.8, under M&RIE. It shows how the activity of all 6 microphones varies with sound in the environment relative to speech and relative to where the user’s head is positioned. Because of copyright, I cannot post the 40 sec video animation but have screen-captured (fair use, I hope!) the different situations.

Quiet conversation. All 6 mics active.

20201006 M&RIE Quiet - All Six Mics Active
20201006 M&RIE Quiet - All Six Mics Active571×532 138 KB

Noise on left (other speech not in direction user facing), all 3 mics active for omnidirectional noise cancellation
Quieter Right Ear, M&RIE mic off, BTE mics beam focusing on speaker

20201006 M&RIE Noise on Left-All 3 Mic Beam Forming on Right for Facing Speech
20201006 M&RIE Noise on Left-All 3 Mic Beam Forming on Right for Facing Speech592×537 155 KB

Noise moves to right (other speech not in user-facing direction), mic focus shifts
All 3 right mics including M&RIE now on, 2 left BTE mics beam focused, left M&RIE off

20201006 M&RIE Noise Moves To Right-3 mics active Speech Focus Now on Left
20201006 M&RIE Noise Moves To Right-3 mics active Speech Focus Now on Left571×532 157 KB

Severe noise behind user (noisy vacuum cleaner)
Both M&RIE mics off, both set of BTE mics beam focused forward on speaker

20201006 M&RIE Severe Noise Behind User Both Ears Focus Foward RIEs OFF Now
20201006 M&RIE Severe Noise Behind User Both Ears Focus Foward RIEs OFF Now585×532 137 KB

The diagrams also relate to the info in this post and the Audiology Online course referenced: GN Hearing introduces ReSound ONE

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#124

Ok Resound, you have to be reading all these discussions and resulting confusion among very smart users of hearing aid products, including yours; why can’t you enter into this discussion and explain your new M&RIE product and accompanying technology and how it works in real life situations. Come on! I am very interested in the new ONE, but feel I am going into a trial next week ignorant. Why does that have to be??
I also know the MM receiver will barely cover my loss or it may not, but it’s crazy that I don’t have a better understanding going into the trial. It may be that I simply am not smart enough to grasp your marketing literature. HELP US OUT!

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#125

In the transcript of the Audiology Online course that I cite above, ReSound rationalizes the hocus-pocus by saying (users) shouldn’t have to know (from page 14).

They’re just going to think, oh, this hearing aid sounds a little better than the other one.
Why? I don’t know. And they’re going to say they don’t know, and that’s good. They
shouldn’t have to know, because this is a brain process that we don’t think about,
we’re born with. So, “It just sounds better,” is what we’ve been hearing in the studies
and what I hope you will hear as well.

So I guess if you take what the woman audiologist says literally, ReSound really doesn’t know, either. And she only seems to promise it MIGHT sound a little bit better - for a bunch more money! So it’ll be great to hear what you think when you get them.

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#126

Lol for this ‘users shouldn’t know’ approach. Why not?

Information should be available for those who want to know.

Usually it’s, if it works, we don’t care. And that’s fine. If that’s our choice.

But implying that we shouldn’t care because they say so or we shouldn’t bother knowing is just silly.

I definitely want to know how gadget of 7000 money works. And why should it be better than gadget of 1000 money.

Thanks @jim_lewis for digging up the info! Those pics are worth thousand words, definitely!

Why it was so hard for resound to just release that loud and clear?

I don’t like when they think we should be dumb and just give money.

ITE devices use pinna. So I wasn’t surprised with what marie does.
RIC uses 2 mics. Again, nothing new.

But it really looks like they managed to use both and do switching. And they failed to clearly explain that. :man_facepalming: I mean, they forget that their competitors also include their old aids. So if they want people to buy new and more expensive, it only makes sense to properly explain the value new aids could bring.

Saying ‘you could hear a bit better’ is :rofl:

I think this could definitely make some difference to some people, depending on their loss and brain.

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#127

A white paper published by Resound GN titled “An innovative RIE with microphone in the ear lets users “hear with their own ears” gave me the information I was looking for. I quote from the article.
First , as several of you pointed out already the M&RIE MM receiver is “ Intended for those with milder hearing loss,” and secondly, “Within this strategy, people who are fit with the M&RIE will have the microphone in the ear canal active when they are in quiet, speech only, and relatively uncomplicated listening environments with limited interfering noise. In other environments, the strategy switches to use the microphones on the ReSound ONE devices to enhance SNR while maintaining access to surrounding sounds. M&RIE can also be activated in dedicated listening programs. For example, due to the significant protection against wind noise and the superior natural sound quality, M&RIE is selected as default in the Outdoor program.”
What all that says in layman terms is that the M&RIE mic is not always turned on. It is on in quiet situations and in dedicated programs like outdoor, in other situations only the two mics on the outer ear within the case are on.
I love it when Resound uses the term “the strategy switches to use the microphones on the ReSound ONE devices”, when what they mean is the algorithm within the devices switches out the M&RIE mic in certain environments. Why does it have to be so hard to figure out literature? Maybe they need to hire a layman to translate technical language into words we can understand without hours of discussion and confusion ( at least on my part). Please forgive me if I am ranting too much.
I still intend to trial the ONES next week, but must admit I am not optimistic.
.

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#128

I personally think all this scientific discussion about M&RIE is interesting but the real test results will come when people on this forum actually trial these new hearing aids and confirm whether or not the extra microphones offer any significant real world hearing benefits. Curious to hear if the extra microphone helps in restaurants and other noisy environments where there are multiple conversations going on within close proximity to the listener. We all know this is the most challenging hearing environment for hearing aids and probably the one area that could be improved with new tech.

Jordan

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#129

Nope.
Since it wasn’t designed for that, as you could see we dug up finally and in big noise it will switch to classical ric mode only .

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#130

I hope GN is onto something good with the 3rd mic, but I also wonder the life span of the ITE mic, since its going to be pulled in and out every time some one puts on HA’s and takes off. Also wonder if dust or ear perspiration might also effect it. Oh well, we should soon start seeing some reviews here - good or bad.

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#131

Each day I normally pull out my HAs by gently pulling on the wire, they slid out very easily. Putting them in I normally have my fingers on the receiver and wire and again gently push them in . I expect the ONEs to be the same except that the new mic will be at the point where the wire meets the M&RIE.
Every day I actually use a magnifying glass to view the dome holes to see if there is any wax blocking the tiny holes. If so I use the small brush that came with the HAs, then wipe them off and verify with the magnifying glass if they are clear.
With the ONEs I will now have to look at the dome and the mic to ensure that they are wax and/or dust free. I don’t expect any wax on the mic since it will be just outside my ear canal.
My last step is too apply a small drop of Comfort Ear on my fingertip and carefully wipe it on the domes before inserting them into my ears. I do this because I have learned that the lubricant in the Comfort Ear prevents ear canal soreness and even infections. My ENT suggested this step and it has worked for me, especially my left ear canal which is more narrow than my right.
That’s my story and I am sticking to it. :grinning::+1:

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#132

Moving from OPN S rechargeable trial to ReSound One trial. So far the main difference is the in-ear fit, it’s tighter in my ear canal. The hearing aid is slightly narrower and lighter than the OPN S rechargeable and the Phonak Marvel. I like the on-ear fit. The sound is different, but I’ve yet to notice whether it’s better. I’d hoped the additional mic would make the mics on the casing less sensitive to touch and hair though I haven’t noticed that to be the situation. Another thing I’m hoping for is a heightened ability to localize sounds. Not sure on that yet. I’ll update again once I’m a week or two into the trial.

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#133

Whoa, I expect your aids to last really long time!
I don’t have such patience.

I’m definitely not especially gently, but not rough either. Had widex dream for a few years, never brushed anything, never changed the dome (changed when they broke but then went to trial another aid), some wax would gather on the sides of the receiver and I’d remove it with a paper towel, like, once in every few months. Never changed wax guard since it was always shiny. Dome - I’d brush off my t-shirt sometimes. No washing hands for handling aids, I mean, they’re clean. Oh and I wouldn’t use my wet hands to pull out the aid. Usually. Care and a half :joy:

Zero issues with sweat or anything.
One receiver died on me at around 2 year mark, but the reason wasn’t clear, wax guard was still shiny and no visible damage of any kind. And it died in my ear slowly fading away and that’s it, never turned up again. I think I blew my nose, but can’t remember if that was with aids in or out.

If this paradise behave similarly, I don’t plan to be extra careful with them either. Will know how long it takes until receiver dies :joy:

If they did marie receiver with having in mind that not many people are extra careful, I’d expect them to have a decent duration for those careful amongst you :slight_smile:

#134

It’s not that I am a clean freak , but rather by necessity, due to extreme moisture I’m my left ear. I must clean it every day and some days during the day. Otherwise the receiver blocks up. It’s a real pain but something I live with. It’s my left ear that has this issue, but my right ear is just fine. My left ear canal is also more narrow than my right, and that doesn’t help. My ENT is very aware and knows I have to gently insert a Qtip very carefully to absorb the moisture.

#135

Yeah I think many people start with more intense care out of necessity. I feel sorry for you all, it definitely isn’t easy task to juggle through all of that :frowning:

I realised that I’m lucky, I don’t have any significant moisture in ears, no significant wax, no irritations, also I have wide canals (just strong muscle/wide jaw movement, so I tend to push out smaller domes and then they tickle and I have to scratch like a dog). I mean, seeing how much issues people have here, I feel so grateful that I can be so negligent, basically.

It’s just after seeing your post that I had to share my contrast, in some pathetic attempt to be funny. Sounded better in my head :joy:

I use qtips for babies, they have big cotton ball in addition to qtip, so it’s fluffy and thick. They are probably not intended that this ball is used for cleaning but as a limit for inserting qtip part, but I really like them. Only thing I’m careful about is insertion depth.

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#136

I’m trialing the ones now. Three weeks in, I think I’m returning them. I’m getting some weird digital noise. At first my audiologist thought it was feedback and now has me in large power domes. I guarantee these things aren’t leaking sound. But the digital noise persists. I kind of think Resound rushed these to market before they were ready.

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#137

Can you describe more precisely how this digital noise sounds and when it occurs?

And did you explain it to your fitter in the same way?

Feedback is high pitch beeeep and whistle. Put aids in your almost closed hand and the sound you hear them screaming is feedback. And it always sounds like that. Can’t be mistaken for something else.

Can be worked on to some degree (dome/mold type and such).

But I’d definitely wouldn’t describe that sound as digital noise, that’s why I’m asking.

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#138

There are two distinct types. One sounds like a rattle comparable to what blown speakers sound like. The other type I’m getting sounds like Morris code, very faint beeps and boops definitely digital in nature. I’m no sound engineer but it sounds like the signal processor is over doing things. On one occasion I was way out in the country with no phone along and I picked up two women carrying in a conversation in my ears. Very faint but freaked me out.

#139

Ok, this definitely doesn’t sound like a feedback.

And hearing voices is uneasy, definitely.

I wonder what did you pick up then…

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#140

I have same problems. Are you trialing 5 or 9 version?

That could be problem with directional mic, that thing youre saying that sounds like blown speaker.

Its happening with speech only?

#141

Yes, the rattling noise occurs only in modes that use the in ear mic.

#142

Oh and I’ve got the nines.