GN Hearing introduces ReSound ONE

Resound makes fine aids.

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Wind and hair are certainly a troublesome combination and I guess when and where one has trouble with the wind depend on where in the world one lives. In Texas, with the changing of the seasons, fall and spring are pretty windy times of year - although Texas has a lot of wind much of the year - and wind thus is a relatively plentiful and relatively dependable renewable resource here (I asked a smart assistant the other day what the average November windspeed was in San Antonio and 9 mph, plus or minus a few tenths of a mph, came up as the average November windspeed here).

Something that works for me, but maybe not everyone’s style, is a pullover cap. It shields my ears and prevents them from flapping the breeze (today was 20 mph winds, gusting to 30 mph). And since when I’m out walking, I’m ~entirely listening to streamed sound (and walking facing oncoming traffic to make up for reduced hearing), the sound muffling/hair-ear lobe restraining effect works pretty well for me. I think it’s just about impossible to have open mics, loose hair, and 30 mph wind gusts and get the HA’s to subtract all the wind/hair/ear lobe/jacket collar, etc., vibrations out. With the head covering (just as with Ear Gear), enough sound can make it through the fabric that if I turn on my external mics (and stop streaming), I can still carry on a conversation with my wife while walking even it it’s fairly windy (she doesn’t wear HA’s).

Motorcycles, cars gunning their engines on a nearby major highway, helicopters overhead from a big medical center complex a few miles away, military and commercial aircraft overhead from several military bases and San Antonio’s main airport, large dogs barking loudly at anyone walking by on the street usually make wind a lesser concern. (and then there’re the crickets in summer!!!).

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I have been using the latest Resound ONE hearing aids for about three weeks and couldn’t be happier with them. The Microphone in ear does seem to improve my hearing comprehension. iPhone connectivity and speech clarity is excellent. They are the Technology Version 9 with rechargeable batteries. My previous aids were Resound Linx quattro version 7 which I had been using for 4 years.

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Are you sure it’s not the LiNX 3D? The Quattro’s were only issued by ReSound about August 18th, 2018 and I got mine towards the end of October, 2018. I think ReSound refers to both models using the terminology “ReSound LiNX …” so it might be easy to conflate the two comparable models in the same family of HA’s. Great to hear that you like the Ones. I am interested in what everyone here has to say comparatively but by the time I’m in the market for a new set, there may be yet other models all around!

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What domes come with the Rseound ONE. Is Feedback a problem? Occlusion?

My audi fitted the Resound One’s with the regular Tulip domes. Feedback has not been a problem. Even when cupping the ear with my hand I just get very low level feedback. Haven’t noticed any Occlusion effect.

My previous hearing aids were the LiNX 3D, not the quattro’s.

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I wonder if Resound licensed this technology from ExSilent. They produced an aid called the Ytango back in 2012 or 13 and I tried in vain to find a dispenser on the west coast so I could try them. I don’t understand how Resound can claim they were the first, but it may have required today’s faster and more advanced processors to make them work successfully.

Here is a white paper from 2015.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Thc57-yot_OFV4ODNLRDFkVkk

I’ve tried the ReSound One for about a month, and prior to that I tried the Quattros for a couple of weeks. I’ve tried the Phonak Paradise since Friday, and will try them for a few more weeks before deciding. I’m new to using HAs.

I’m currently in favor of the Ones in regards to how they pick up speech, but it’s still early days with Paradise. The main reason I liked the Ones is that I feel they pick up voices best, although the sound in general is more natural with Paradise (it might have something to do with using closed domes with the Ones).

I’ve been pointed in the direction of Phonak as I work as a teacher and the Phonaks are easier to connect to multiple Roger table mics & pen which is what I will first try to hear the students better in the classroom.

I’m curous though, does anyone know if it’s much hassle to connect the Roger stuff (or telecoil equipment) to ReSound One? If I like the Ones better without the Roger stuff, I would like to go with those instead of the Paradise. But if the connection between Roger (or other telecoil equipment) is unstable or not ideal, then…

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When I tried the ReSound One and used the Basic program it usually used the mic inside the ear. No trouble with wind, nor any trouble when my hair or cap or hat or whatever brushed against the mics behind the ears, because they weren’t active… There’s also an Outdoor-program you can use which will help reduce wind noice.

I had the audiologist change the wind cancellation setting to moderate and that has improved my outdoor experience with these.

If you bought a Resound MultiMic and a Roger X receiver, Roger equipment would work ok with your Resounds. With Phonak Paradise (or Marvel) you could skip the intermediate device (MultiMic)

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True. But with skipping intermediary device comes lower latency in pure phonak version.

I think I’ve read somewhere on the forum that someone tried such solution and wasn’t happy. Like lag was noticeable.

@athorod

Quality, from top:
Paradise/marvel built in receiver
Any solution using x receivers plugged into dai shoe directly (no matter the manufacturer of aid, if aid has that shoe, many ric don’t)

Those two should have same or very similar sound quality, with new phonaks supposedly having better distance

Then come any solution through intermediary non tcoil device, like resound multimic where you plug in roger x, with possible issues of latency

Then intermediary with tcoil, like roger mylink, or other solutions where you plug roger x into something which makes a loop

No clue about how tcoils really sound, information is gathered through reading others’ experiences.

After I’ve realised that I really need and want roger select, I was thinking about testing some others, but significantly bigger price for getting them to play nice with select, plus fact that I’d have to buy a new android phone, plus some differences in programming approach, just made me not even try others. I just can’t imagine my life without select anymore. I don’t think that’s wise decision though :joy:
But in my case, I can’t get more than 70-80% comprehension with aids (no matter which ones, my nerve is damaged it seems), and in speech babble aids are useless without select, and with select is stil hard if people are really loud.

Test HAs alone in heavy situations, then you’ll see. If aids cover even classroom, maybe multimic alone will be enogh for specially heavy situations.

Also, starkey has table mic of same sort as is roger select. Significantly cheaper. Might be worth looking into if you realise you need mics.

But, focus first on what aids can give you.

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Thank you for a comprehensive answer.

Neither the ReSound Ones, nor the Paradise, seems to cover the classroom situation fully. In some situations I need more. I tried the multimic with the Ones, which was better, but I still want a bit “more”.

I am currently trying the Paradise, and I’ve borrowed a Roger Pen and Table Mic (I wasn’t allowed to borrow a Select). I got the Paradise on Friday and have only played around with Pen and Table Mic in the classroom yesterday, so I’ll test all of it some more before deciding.

Is the Select mic much better than the Table Mic II?

I tried the Resound app, of course without a hearing aid just as a demo version to see what all the options it has in it. I have noticed that the app is much better than any other that exists.
You can adjust the sound separately, for example from the microphone, the sound coming from the TV intermediate device, etc.
The microphone doesn’t necessarily have to be worse, just that at least there are more options around adjusting the sound coming from the microphone and that Resound has a much better solution.
It offers an option
equalizer, trebble boost and bass bost for microphone.

I think the intelligibility can be improved if the sound in the equalizer is adjusted to suit the listener.

Table mics can create network of them, all in table mode, if you need more than one to cover the area.

Selects cannot do that, if they network, only one stays in table mode, others go to lapel mic mode, so point upwards.

@RogerPM said that they have same tech, and I have impression that they do have other differences as well.

Select is advertised for restaurants while table mic for professional meetings.

With select you have beam forming feature, and you also can say which direction it should focus on as sound source while table mics only can get everything, expecting non competing speakers situation.

Table mic 2 has option to get people closer to the mic or further away, so in some sense they handle background noise in that way.

Select’s beam forming doesn’t mean you will hear only that direction but others will be a bit lower. A bit. That’s the keyword.
If you have bunch of people competing while talking, eg kids in classroom while doing some activity, I’m not sure if any would help. Because you will still hear everything.

Maybe pen will be the best, but for it, don’t expect it’ll catch just one person out of the bunch speaking if you’re too far away with pen. Pen on table mode is poor compared to those two above, so, I’m talking only about interview mode.

I’m not sure if any can work in classroom where everyone speaks at the same time and is busy. So, it highly depends how your classroom looks like. Eg how close you need to come to be sure you’re capturing the person you want.

For quiet, I’d probably use table mics if someone else is paying, since they can be all around.
Select is one table only. But it’s cheaper device, at least here (still insanely expensive though).

I didn’t test table mics, so my conclusion is from the papers. Pen and select I have, pen I’m still trying to find a use case. I bought regular pen on ebay and select iN new from my dispenser (to get the receivers, you need them just once). Pen in I couldn’t test since ‘Germany is to small market and pen iN isn’t available’ :rofl:

To get some perspective, what’s your wrs in quiet? Any measurements done for noise, like quicksin?

First number sets some expectations from aids, another tells how desperately you need mics and if they can help or not.

Aids give 3-5db boost for speech in noise, mics supposedly give up to 10, but if you need more than that, no device can really help you the way you’d like. However still, they’ll make your brain’s job somewhat easier, but it’s still gonna be hard work.

Also, both aren’t that great when noise is other voices, that’s the hardest situation any hearing device is in.

What I’m saying is, it is possible that you’ve reached tech plateau, and more ooomph just isn’t available. In that case, point would be with which of those available, your brain can work better with eg where are you maybe a bit less tired, or some other criteria you notice as important to you.

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Yes, I like the ReSound app. I’ve only also tried the Phonak app, but I prefer the ReSound, no doubt about it. One example is as you say with the multimic, you can choose sound levels from mic and HAs individually, instead of the Phonak where you can only balance between them. If I have a mic at the back of the classroom I want to get good sound from both the mic at the back of the room when those students speak, and from the HAs when the students in front of the class speak…

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Thank you again for a very comprehensive answer.

Some of it is a bit techichal for me though, as I’m a newbie, both to hearing loss and to HAs.

These are the test scores I have. image
I suppose the top one is an audiogram(?) and the bottom one was some kind of word recognition test (not sure if it’s wrs though…). I do understand the top one, but I don’t really understand the bottom one…

In the classroom, it isn’t always a problem to pick out just the one I want to hear. It’s also that if someone in the back of the class is talking, and has a “small voice”, it’s difficult to hear, just because of the distance, and difficult with ReSound One and Paradise, without an addiotional mic. The MultiMic from ReSound did help, but I think the Table Mic II picks up generally more sound.

The cost of these things isn’t really an issue as the national healthcare will provide the help I need. I guess that’s a perk of living in Norway. So I will get a new HA every 6 years, and I will also get the tech needed to keep working. I’ve been told that if I need 2xTableMicII and a Roger Pen, either with ReSound One or Paradise that will not be a problem. If that doesn’t help they will instead provide several handheld mics for the students to use in the classroom. But I want to keep it as simple as I can for now…

But as you say, first I have to decide on which HA to go for…

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Yes, first two is tonal audiogram and you have sloping hearing loss.

Second two is wrs, word recognition score, it basically says how loud words have to be (bottom numbers, x axis) in order to get x percent of words correctly (y axis).
You can get to 100% accuracy with 50/55db, which is awesome!
This means that all aids are able to be set up to give you same accuracy, if fitted correctly.
In quiet.

Real life is different and it heavily depends on your brain processing abilities. But at least you have good base - you know that if you get enough amplification, you’ll be able to comprehend.

Soft spoken people on distance are hard for normal hearing people, but we with damage, it gets much harder because our brain has to work much more and still has the same amount of time available as normal hearing person. Any noise or unwanted speech makes it harder when we have damaged hearing.

If you haven’t already, I suggest getting some basics through these two sources

best practices summarised by dr cliff

And they have article about listening in noise, also recommended to read.

Both sources have youtube channel if you like that media instead.

And in awesome country you live in! Yes, table mics are supposed to catch more. I think if your classroom isn’t yelling chaos, but calm environment, array of table mics and pen should work perfectly.
Depends on your classroom size how many table mics you need, but maybe it could be enough to put them near soft spoken students / in the back. Test and you’ll see.

I’m not sure, but I think resound’s multimics cannot create network of them… For some reason I think I’ve remembered that so far only roger supports networking of mics.

So if you need more than one mic, definitely check who supports what exactly.

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@efigalaxie is pretty reticent recently but he’s certainly tried many HA’s and been an HA user for over ~44 years. Here’s how he rated the Marvels, the Quattros and the Opn’s back around March 6. I wondered if he’s trialed or thinking of trialing the Paradise or the ReSound One? His comment doesn’t specifically address multiple remote microphone use but he’s used an FM receiver on the ReSound Multi Mic and owns multiple Roger devices and I think is highly knowledgeable about electrical IT stuff - so given his experience, he might be able to offer some excellent advice. He used to work in a very noisy steel mill and needed remote communication to be able to hear things.

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Thanks again for your great input, and for the information you’ve provided!