Compilot 2 setup, working well, mostly

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I have made some changes to my Phonak Bluetooth device, the Compilot 2, and things are working well, for the most part, and just wanted to pass along the details of my setup.

I’m still looking for a way to adjust the microphone level, and/or looking for a better performing lapel Mic. I may try the Roger Pen for phone use and see how that goes. I could put it in my shirt pocket.

You can plug a lapel Mic into the Compilot 2 and that’s what I do, and keep the Compilot 2 under my shirt.

Programs:
1 - Everything
2 - Acoustic Phone
3 - Directionality 360, focus on voices
4 - Speech in Loud Noise with noise reduction maxed out.
5 - Directionality, front facing, focus on voices
6 - Public T-coil +Mic (just for fun, no public loops in my area)

Compilot Home button (on the side of device):
Short press - 1 - Everything.
Long Press - 4 - Speech in Loud Noise

Paired with TV transmitter, cell phone, office phone, tablet, 2 laptops.

Landline or strange phone, one click to Acoustic Phone, which works very well.

Difficult noise situation, one long press to Speech in Loud Noise program.

Those are the two most frequently used manual programs, one click of home button back to Everything.

Even though the manual program change just cycles through the programs, the Home button on the side gives you two direct program destinations (Short press and long press).

So I’m one click away from Acoustic Phone or Speech in Loud Noise, and two clicks away from directionality. Then no matter what program in on, I’m one press away from program 1, Everything.

Please let me know if you have any Compilot 2 tips, tricks, hacks, etc.

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I’ve just bought myself a Phonak ComPilot 1 to use with my Phonak Brio 1 HAs. I hope I can make it sound good.

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It appears to have the same program options for the Home program.

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Hi, interesting advice.
Zebras, if it doesn’t sound amazing then there is something wrong so persevere! Mike

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Got my ComPilot and it sounds great! Definitely need the 4 programs for the ComPilot as you can fine tune each of them. :-))

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It’s great! I now do not have any programs that I need to access via my program button part from mute. Every other program is automatic. I’m so lazy when it comes to changing programs.

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I did not program “360” (your program 3) and no “directionality, front facing”. Everything else is the exact same setup like yours! :slight_smile: Looks like to be a good choice.
I think @Zebras also has a dedicated program “Speech in Wind”? My Naida B70 does not have this extra (but I don’t miss it anyway).
@Don When I do a long press on the “program selector” on the HA or a long press on “-” on Compilot then the mics of the HA get muted by -21dB (i.e. almost by a quater in sound perception). I make heavy use of muting either while being in public transportations (train/bus) or while watching TV as long as my wife is having a phone call while sitting next to me…

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I wish my ComPilot did this. :-/

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Can anyone tell me what the volume actually adjusts? Is it the HA volume or a volume within the ComPilot?

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I think it adjusts the remote volume. The hearing aids will also adjust the volume.
If you are in a loud place that has lots of background noise you can lower the remote volume and raise the hearing aid volume to hear through the remote clearer without as much loud background noise.
This is how the older sets operated. This one might be different.
Not an expert.

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Zebras, on Compilot 2 these adjust the output level of the HAs. Eg. when listening to music streamed from my android I adjust input level with my smartphone and output level of my HAs either with Compilot or directly on my HAs - it is the same result, means: in both cases the sound coming through the mics gets increased and decreased the same way.

Muting on the other hand is done on the input level of the microphones. I think I had to activate the feature for Compilot. But I turn on muting on the HA most if the time. Maybe your HA has muting as a separate program only? I can activate muting the mics in all programs.

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If you are not streaming it adjusts the volume of the hearing aids. So if you lower the volume one click on the Compilot and then raise it one click on the hearing aid button you will hear the double beep to indicate you are back to the default volume. In other words, plus and minus on the Compilot do the same thing as plus and minus on the hearing aids themselves. The Compilot acts as a remote control.

If you are streaming I think the volume plus and minus adjusts both the streaming and the mics volume.

If, while streaming, you long press the minus it mutes the mics and then plus and minus act solely on the streaming volume. This is the way it works on the Compilot 2.

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I haven’t got it set up as a remote.

When I turn the volume up, it only goes up 2 clicks before it beeps double at me. When I do turn it up, the music becomes a lot louder but background noise becomes a lot less.

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Thanks @don for sharing this info and happy to hear you are utilizing it to max benefits out from it.

@dani/@don, Can you please elaborate on the setup done on Target. i have ComPilot Air II and RemoteMic as additional Accessories, I havent used much except for streaming youtube video or skype calls etc… apart from that i also have ComPilot-1 which i have purchased for Q70 and not sure if this works with B90-312 or not ?

My current HA are B90-312 RIC

i want to expand my knowledge to better use of these accessories where-ever possible.

3 - Directionality 360, focus on voices
5 - Directionality, front facing, focus on voices
4 - Speech in Loud Noise with noise reduction maxed out.
Landline or strange phone, one click to Acoustic Phone, which works very well.
Difficult noise situation, one long press to Speech in Loud Noise program.

Can you please advice or share more information on this topic

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These are all of Don’s programs that he has. If you haven’t got these programs then your ComPilot won’t have them!!

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Can anyone confirm if the ComPilot Remote side of it, can be used without having the neck cord around your neck?

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Com pilots work great when they work and bad news when they always stop working in about a yr. Extremely sensitive to moisture. Is there any alternatives? Third party streamers that wont break in a year?

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How can moisture break your Compilot? And no, there is no 3rd party alternative.
Maybe your neckloop has broken. Then you have to replace the loop just like USB cables are sensible for replacement.

@vrd_quest Compilot 1 is not compatible for Phonak’s V-, B- and M-lines. You need Compilot 2.

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@dani, thanks !!! whether ComPilot Air II works for this setup ?

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What do you mean by the word “setup”? As Zebras already said the programs have to be programmed into the HA. Compilot is only a remote control and the intermediate streamer for Bluetooth connections and TV-connector.

Compilot Air II is compatible with your B90-312 RIC (side note: it is NOT compatible with Audéo B90-direct !)
Btw this info is from Target. You can look up this kind of information for yourself. As a DIY you should do more Try-&-Error, i.e. you should read the great information Target already delivers to you, do some slight changes and then see/hear or whatever compare the changes.

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