I am sorry if you feel I was blunt, which I have become after I retired. I was an IT Professional that had to deal with thousands that want to do what they wanted to do and not think about company policies and security. They didn’t want to wait on the powers to be to make a decision. My job was security and keeping the network and servers working. By policy every computer on the network had to be scanned and checked every day before the users could be allowed on the network, they all knew this but every shift change there was always the complaints, of the slow logging, and yes it did take as long as 10 minutes to log some of the workstations in that had large hard drives. There were no USB drives allowed and no dvds or cds. All of it had to be checked and because so many had laptops that went home they had to be rechecked anytime they logged into the network or over vpn. It was a pain for everyone. Just before I retired we got a new young CEO that decided everyone could bring their own devices and the network failed apart. We had virus malware total loss of control. The VP of IT quite and the whole department either walked away or like me retired. Last I heard the CEO was fired and the VP of IT was asking to return and was given total say so over the network and IT. When I retired I was fed up with the whole thing. And I also moved from the area and state. I donated all of my windows machines to the local school. And at the time only had a iPhone and iPad all that I really needed. I have since gotten a MacBook that my kids gave me, and the Apple Watch that my wife gave me. I am no longer someone that really does anything but check my email and keep up with my forums, and family. There is so much in life I missed because being an IT professional took up so much of my life.
Hell I went years without seeing a sun rise or sunset.
Sound is the same for me, so it looks like your fitter poorly fitted marvels to sell you paradises. Or you were with poor fitter with marvels, as I did with my first marvel pair.
My (properly fitted) marvels were great (wore them several months), my paradises are great (another several months now).
Also, I have normal hearing on one ear and still wear the aid for the streaming convenience. Marvels and paradises have the same sound.
Both crappy, when you hear with normal ear. But crappy in a same way. I mean, crappy as a few mm speaker is crappy compared to the proper sound system and natural sound itself.
@cvkemp I noticed that with years, I started keeping defaults to so many things, and change them only when it’s needed. And not like 10 years ago when I’d spend days tweaking a new phone. Now it’s google accounts, ring sound, profiles. And then as I remember I want something. Granted, it ends being highly tweaked, but it’s over span of years, not a few days. Before I was really anxious to not lose my phone because of the procedure to transfer things. Now I stopped caring that much, if something is lost, I mourn and move on.
Also, if I can’t figure out something, I just accept its bugs and live with them. Definitely easier on the nerves 
Apple UI and UX is totally illogical to me, and it always baffles me when I try to help someone with iphone, that’s how I know I don’t want that. Plus, I rather spend price difference on something else.
But, expect for my parents, I’m not tech support to anyone. Drawing that line early on was important. And not having many friends helps 
Plus of course, not going into such line of work.
I totally get you, that line of perpetual ‘it’s not working’ kills your psyche. And of course, it’s always urgent. 
And I am the CIO
I hope that I won’t end up like you…
You could have point about my audi, but i tried marvels at 3 different audi. If all were doing same, then I have some bad luck as well 
If they didn’t do REM based live speech mapping fitting, they definitely did the same poor fit.
It is possible that manufacturer’s formula for paradises is better suitable for your loss than their formula on marvels. But fitting by manufacturer’s formula is bad idea to start with anyway. This is the keyword. Until HAs are fitted properly for your loss, you cannot objectively compare which one is really better for your loss.
I was fitted marvels with manufactuer’s formula, and I’ve heard/understood better without that aid.
Marvel with another fitter who used REM/LSM and whoa - speech comprehension was there instantly.
Paradises with same fitter and same process, gave same speech comprehension.
I chose P because price difference was around 200 eur, and having a bit more stable BT connection and 2 devices was worth it to me. Hearing wise I haven’t noticed anything significantly different.
If price diff would be 500+ eur, I wouldn’t pick them. For example R vs battery 13 was additional 500, and I didn’t hear any difference, and didn’t want the hassle of R, so I happily saved money with going 13.
And I had also lowest tech level of unitron fitted (again, properly fitted) and in quiet - all those aids performed the same. THE SAME. I was really surprised to hear that.
So when you see how many sellers push people for highest tech level implying that they’ll hear better, that’s horrible. Because, if you’re in a quiet environment, so no competing noise, you won’t use those fancy features anyway, so why pay for it?
However, if I had opportunity as people in USA have, to get KS9 at costco, which are basically marvels, for like 1500 usd pair, I’d run there. RUN.
Price for my Marvels, with huge discount because I DIY one aid and bc I asked for discount, is 3700 eur. Paradises are 3900. 700 I’ll get from insurance, for one aid. Official price is around 6100 eur for rechargeable, and around 5600 for battery. Insurance still pays only 700 eur for one aid.
I’m talking about level 90. I’ve tried lower levels, but I definitely noticed that echo block in echoey situations working well for me, and only level 90 has it. Plus my SNR is pathetic, and I need all help I need, so better algorithms for noise block and such are in higher tech. Plus I use additional mics as well.
About tech levels.
I see here people mostly buy level 90 for phonak or similar highest level for other aids.
My fitter told me that he mostly fits level 30-50. Because most of his customers are retired, mostly at home, and 30-50 mostly satisfy their needs. Level 30 is half the price of level 90 here.
However, they DO try higher levels, but then realise it doesn’t bring them enough to be worthy such price difference.
Luckily, with my fitter who does REM/LSM fitting, they really can objectively compare those aids, and not be cheated either through negligence or intentionally.
So, when I see that people are trying aids like crazy with different providers, and all use manufacturer’s formulas, they’re actually not comparing those aids at all. But they’re comparing formulas which are made to convince you that it’s not that bad. They’re mostly focused on making you not return the aids out of discomfort, but getting better speech comprehension out of sounds you didn’t get for some time, might not be totally comfortable at the beginning, but you’ll get there.
And when you see the campaigns claiming ‘you’ll hear x percent better with this aids’, fine print will probably have ‘compared to not wearing aids’. But they won’t focus on speech comprehension, but hearing in general.
Indeed, you’ll hear much more sounds, that’s definitely true. How those sounds will be useful to your brain to extract information from it, that’s another question. Manufacturer’s formulas so far haven’t focused on that. Independent formulas are.
Bad luck you mention could be by the fact that in your country no one does it properly.
It definitely is the case with my country of origin.
If that’s the case, then I’d do another thing. Takes more time than REM/LSM (that’s actually biggest benefit of REM/LSM - you need one fit to get really good, I dare say the best, results in quiet).
Find out fitter who will do WRS (word recognition score) and ideally speech in noise test (that will give you SNR without aids).
Then, tweak aids until you can get the same WRS results when you wear aids + listen same words on the speaker in front of you as your brain/ears can get when doing test with headphones and extra loud sounds.
That’s the baseline.
Then tweak aids for noise until you score better results than your initial SNR.
If fitter doesn’t utilise even this approach, not even WRS only, then they’re utterly utterly incompetent and not worth getting any money. Especially when they don’t spend dozens of hours trying to fit you.
You’d be better off if some monkey clicks around your aids than such ‘specialists’. Just by pure chance.
Manufacturers are trying to replace that monkey clicking with their formulas, but for you is infinitely better to find someone who actually has a proper knowledge.
Hell, knowing what I know now, I’d probably fly to some place which does REM, and then DIY for tweaking, after I have good baseline that is for my loss. I’d get to best possible results much faster than with monkey clicking or friendly but clueless fitter.
And chances are that if after 10 meetings you’re still not satisfied (after understanding limits based on your loss), you’ll just leave HAs in the drawer. That’s what most people do. Not most who come here, people who come here are actively invested in their hearing loss.
But I definitely understand people who just give up on their hearing out of frustration of meeting monkeys or friendly but clueless people.
Which I find very very sad.
Poor fitters and salesmen are the reason why so many people struggle with hearing loss and give up. Or not even try, because they see that it didn’t help to their friends and family in the first place.
Uf, I should not be allowed to type on the computer, when I’m on the phone I type slower 
Also, check this reply:
For a bit deeper explanations how brain+sound work.
I connected my OPN 1 to Genie 2020.2 and got a hint that the firmware for version 6.1 was the latest version. I believe Oticon will not update the new firmware for OPN to add new features.
I think so. Buy the new model…