What I bought and why (Phonak lumity)

The Roger On In, I believe installs 2 Roger (Type 3) licenses into your aids, so unfortunately of no use to you whatsoever with Roger Pass Around the Mic, as @Zebras rightly stated, the RPATM, also needs the Roger Touch Screen, this is a (Type 2) device, and in order to function, it connects to your aids via the Touch Screen, I have all of this equipment, and more besides… I reiterate you would also need 2 x Roger X Receivers that are (Type 2) Educational, or the (Type 2) Neck Loop, to me it would be a mistake to buy the Roger On In, unless it’s a freebie, it is fine 1 to 1, or as a table mic, with say half a dozen folks sat around, but I think you may struggle in a classroom? As a rule of thumb, (Type 2) Receivers are classed as Educational, and as such they are usually double the price, they work with every Roger device, as long as the serial number is above 1744… (Type 3) Roger X Receivers only work with certain ALD’s, like Roger On, Roger Select, Roger Pen… There are 2 licenses slots in either aid (I have both Type 2 & 3) Receivers, and one day I accidentally installed an extra receiver in an aid, 1 of each type :upside_down_face: I thought I had bricked it! (Type 2) give you a License for any Roger device, (Type 3) is only a license for certain devices, but be aware these licenses aren’t interchangeable, well the (Type 3) most certainly isn’t! My apologies for the long winded reply, it’s a difficult subject to try, and explain, but in reality it is a very simple thing… Good Luck, cheers Kev :wink:

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Yes I can definitely say it’s 03 licences as when I connect my Aids to software, it says 03 installed.

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You could have bought a normal Roger On and 2 x 02 licenses and get your Audiologist to install the 02 ones with this machine in the picture. That way you’re sorted with all of the Roger Microphones.

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Couldn’t he use a Roger Pen (or another Roger On) as a “pass around mike?” I think “Pass Around Mike” is also the trade name of a device, but I’m using the term to describe function.

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@MDB

2 x Roger On devices together can only be used in lanyard mode.

The pointing / pass around and table mode don’t work anymore. Phonak stopped it.

Not sure about the Roger Pen tho.

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Wouild it be a possible work around to turn off one of the Roger On (or Roger Pen) while using Roger On in Table mode and turn on the other device only when somebody wants to speak into it? Clutzy, but perhaps workable?

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@MDB

They’ll both mute unfortunately, not just one, until one of them is turned off.

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Perhaps the OP could use the Roger Pen, how effective that would be is probably questionable… TBVH, the Roger Pen is probably my least favourite ALD, tis fine in the lanyard mode, in a classroom with hard furnishings, and perhaps echoing, I am not so sure? Roger Pass Around the Mic, is indeed a product, and is specifically designed for a classroom environment (see link below) Cheers Kev :wink:

What I’m thinking is have one turned on in table mode. If somebody needs to be miked, they turn on the other mike (table mode is now off?) Person with mike speaks and then turns it off. Mike on table is now back in Table mode? Other thought is to have the actual Table Mic ii. Having the Educational receivers is certainly a much better solution.

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@MDB

You would need to pair each On each time.

I’ve been told that if the On’s are linked together in a Network, then what you’ve described won’t work as the On’s ‘would know’.

The only hack to get around it, is to link 1 x On to 1 x HA only and not both. Won’t really work for people who have a worse ear, I guess or only 1 x HA / BAHA / CI anyway.

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Interesting topic.
I think roger table mic ii maybe an alternative to pass-around mic, with the table mic ii you don’t need an expensive roger X 02!
Another alternative maybe something like ceiling hung microphones in a classroom settings, think UK house of parliament as an example.

For the price of a new Roger On In… If you shop around eBay, especially in the states, you could probably pick up, a couple of Pass Around Mic’s, 2 Roger X (Type 2) Receivers, making sure you check with the seller, that the serial numbers do not predate 1744, (anything before 1744 is older technology, and will not work with Marvel, Paradise or indeed Lumity) and pick up a Roger Touch Screen, and probably have some change? My Pass Around, cost me the princely sum of £10…!!! My cheapest (Type 2) Receiver, was 6months old according to the manufacturers date stamp on the box, twas £56…!!! I also got another (Type 2) for £97… The other pair of (Type 2) I have, cost me approximately £200 each… They cost new @ £600 each! My most expensive was my first purchase (Type 3) bought new @ £350, this was long before I became clued up, I believe the other (Type 3) was £79 or thereabouts? Roger Touch Screen was approximately £300, and it was in pristine condition, they are around £702 with VAT taxes, or £585 without VAT, new here in the UK… Yes, there are bargains to be had, via eBay, if you are patient, and wait for them to come along, and in the present economic downturn, it is predominantly a buyers market… TBVH, I could have bought new, and perhaps not quite bankrupted myself? A healthier bank balance was my ultimate aim, buying new would not have given me a better hearing outcome, to me, especially with regards to Roger X Receivers, it’s only the licenses you need, the actual Roger X becomes a very tiny paperweight…It’s useless for anything else, once the license is removed! Cheers Kev :wink:

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Touchscreen are around £550.00.

https://www.deafequipment.co.uk/product/11079826/3PRTSM/Roger-Touchscreen-Mic-transmitter

I see them on eBay in the US for less then $200 now.

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Thank you @Zebras, apologies, I will amend that mistake! It was last year, that I checked the price… Just checked Connevans, just now, £702 including VAT, or £585 without VAT… Still expensive! Cheers Kev :upside_down_face:

I have the lumity on order. Oddly, they were back ordered but I hope that is due to their popularity. I have been told I am a candidate for cochlear on the left side with a 40% recognition on that side. I have just about given up hope for a stem cell solution. Have you heard anything new on this? My problem is a distortion that sounds like static and crackling and is far worse in noise, especially with women and children. Recognition is noticeably higher with men’s voices. I am suppose to meet with the surgeon/cochlear specialist in 2 weeks. I am 69 so I don’t know how long I can wait. Good luck on your effort.

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@kevels55

Yes very expensive considering the Touchscreen has been out for years. Not sure exactly when but it’s quite old now.

Did you know that deaf people can claim VAT relief? I’ve had VAT relief from Boots and Connevans.

Wow just looked on You Tube. There are videos about the Touchscreen from 2016. They really need to bring out a new one.

Hadn’t realised it was as old as that.

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Yeah Ruth, I am sure Sonova will have something in the pipeline, most likely a, Touch Screen V2? I agree, it is expensive for outdated tech though! Yes, I was aware, of the VAT waver, but some products are not exempt! Seems to be a gray area? I usually won’t buy from Connevans, if it’s plus VAT, in fact, I have an extreme aversion to that word, and I will have a borderline allergic reaction to VAT :rofl: :upside_down_face: :joy: I just feel, you should never pay VAT on anything to help you with your hearing loss, or any other disability! Cheers Kev :wink:

I’m on the verge of cochlear implants, but I’m hanging on for two reasons:

1 Cochlear implant technology is improving rapidly - much faster than hearing aids in general.

  1. If you get cochlear implants, you forego the possibility of cochlear stem cell treatment to restore or improve your hearing.

On the other hand, if you’re having real problems and don’t want to wait, getting a cochlear implant in your worst ear is actually a great idea because your brain will combine the sound from both ears, improve word discrimination and sound more natural than a cochlear implant in both ears. If you don’t get enough improvement in word discrimination, you can always have a cochlear implant in the other ear later.

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My friends (set of twins) have done this.

Altho they were children at the time and here in the UK, they were allowed 2 x CIs as children. Their parents only got 1 x CI in case there was improvement in technology/research to help their other ear with stem cell etc.

Only issue is, they’ve been waiting 36 years and could be waiting another 36 years or more.

Will it ever happen in a life time?

Silly question, but what qualifies as being deaf in the UK?