Starkey Edge AI 24 hearing aids - opinions welcome

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Hello,

I have just arrived on the forum and am looking around the various comments and suggestions which are very interesting.

My audiologist has fitted me with Starkey Edge A1 24 hearing aids for evaluation and I’ve been testing them since the 16th May. I’m keeping a diary about my perceptions over time. The Starkey HA’s have been set by my audiologist - only three programmes at the moment - personal, music and restaurant.

I would like to know if anyone on the forum has had experience with these HAs because I’m having quite a time of it trying to tune up to them.

What I know so far:

My hearing loss is severe/profound in the upper mid-range and high frequency range. It has been almost impossible for me to filter voices in situations where there is background noise. This seems to be shared by many people on the forum.

From a physical point of view I’m much happier with over-ear HAs than those that plug directly into the ear.

I realise that my brain has been compensating for the hearing loss for some time - it appears that the ear/brain interface is quite elastic and that it takes time to get used to the sound of a HA. Apparently, the brain can tune up to the HA so that one does not “hear” the HA over time.

I’m an audiophile, having worked in a radio station studio in the past. I’m used to listening to high quality sound and even with hearing loss I know largely what a piece of music should sound like.

What I’m finding:

The HA’s are comfortable although they have a piece of plastic extended out from the body - presumably to make it easier to remove them. The plastic extension is very irritating.

Good battery duration - the HAs battery charge gets low very late in the evening - say an 18-hour day. (not just working!)

Voices are now much clearer and I’m able to understand speech far better when watching TV or at the cinema.

Not quite used to restaurant mode but I think I’ll have to turn my head more toward a speaker when in conversation at a table. More to experiment with here.

In personal (standard) mode, I’m picking up room echo. The upper mid-range to high frequency range is far too bright. The sound is like listening to a cheap crystal microphone.

In music mode, the sound is a bit “flatter” in response (by that I mean less accentuation on the highs and slightly better lows). But the sound, when listening my stereo system (NAD M10 with Falcon LS3-5a mini monitors) is terrible. I can’t listen to music like this so something will have to give. There is no warmth on the mid-range to lower frequencies and highs sound brittle.

It is possible for me to set my own programme with an “equaliser” using the Starkey app in my iPhone, but it’s pretty limited - only three areas I can work with: low, mid and high.

Perhaps, this is going to be my lot but before I fall into despair I would be grateful for any comments/reassurances about my experiences.

danzl

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I wear the Starkey Edge AI 24.
My loss is different than yours.
Your audiologist should have set up edge mode for use in noise.
On the app you tap edge mode.
You then have a choice between three programs.
Reduce nose is the bottom one.
I’ve used this program many times in noise.
It has worked for me every time.
Do you wear domes are do you wear moulds.
Domes the plastic may be a lock to help keep the domes in.
Moulds and is probably too help pull them out.
I had that cut off mine.
As far as music.
I can’t help. I have distortion in my left ear.
I also have a tin ear.
The aids can be adjusted to better fit your needs
The problem is does your audiologist know what they are doing.
You should have a 30 day trial.
If you can’t get satisfaction return them and try a different brand. Maybe even a different audiologist.

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Hi freezerman404,

Thank you for your reply and your experiences!

The Starkey Edge AI 24s are over-ear with the in-ear extension.

I think you are right, the plastic moulds are to help remove the earpieces but I can’t stand them so if I go with these HAs I’ll remove that plastic piece.

I’m making a diary of all of my observations and what I can say is that the HAs are very good indeed in reducing background noise and allowing me to focus on listening to the speaker I want to hear. I haven’t yet tested the Edge Mode + which allows the HAs to sample the sound of the surrounding environment and then configure the HAs for optimised listening. So I’ll be very keen to check that out.

My problem is less with voice and noise filtering and more with listening to music. That’s why I’m interested in feedback from anyone on this forum who is a musician or sound engineer about how they adapted to their HAs for their work.

I’m satisfied that the audiologist is doing his job well. The Starkey’s are on evaluation so I do have the option of refusing the and trying something else. The problem is more with my requirement for listening to music. But there must be ways to optimise the sound.

danzl

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If you search the forum
you’ll find a lot of musicians prefer Widex for music.
Even then it still boils down to the the audiologist.
I’m a proponent of all hearing aids can be programmed the way you want. But once again it all depends on the audiologist and how good they are.
A lot of people on the forum self program.
To them that was the only way they could get the aids like they wanted.

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Hi freezerman404,

Apologies for the late response. I’ve been away for a day or two.

Well, after a few days under test, I certainly have some questions for the audiologist music-wise.

On the other hand, as far as noise reduction in restaurants, cafés etc the HAs are certainly very effective. I can now pick up and understand speech easily. The Edge mode on the Starkeys is highly effective. It samples the environment I’m in and then provides filtering.

I agree with your observation that self-programming is best. At the moment, all I get on the Starkeys is a basic three-frequency band equaliser and I can’t see that being much good. I’ll stick around a bit to see what other people have done, particularly sound engineers and musicians.

Thanks for your thoughts!

danzl

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Hi,
I have profound hearing loss in high pitch sounds. My audiologist, got the Starkey technician to come due to the complexity o my hearing loss.
I can now hear the blinker in my car. I also use a remote control microphone, for meetings .
Edge is definitely an amazing setting. You can add New programs had you “play “ with equaliser to find what works for you.
First time I went to a show and did t have to ask for an hearing aid connection, auditorium program was enough

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Hi Valgie,

Thank you for your thoughts.

I’m going to try the “restaurant” mode on the Starkeys a bit more. It does help in some restaurants but in places where there are hard walls and ceilings, I’m finding the Edge mode much better. It does mean that if I move to a different place in the building, I need to refresh the Edge mode to analyse the surroundings.

Certainly, in groups around a table, I’m having no problem hearing people.

I have used the equaliser but it’s too coarse for music so as freezerman404 mentioned, I really need to self-program. In music mode the HAs have a nice flat response, as one would expect because sound filtering is turned off. Also, for concerts such as opera the Starkey’s are excellent in handling the dynamic range of the sound - voice and orchestra. However, I’m still getting that slightly “tinny” sound in the upper frequencies and a lack of warmth in the mid to mid-low frequencies. The equaliser has low, medium and high adjustment but it’s in 1dB steps. I need more like 0.5dB steps.

I’m still trying to find someone who is a musician using Starkey’s to see how they are getting on.

Working on it!

danzl

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I have the Edge AI 24 but I use Bose or Apple earbuds for music. Mostly I use Starkey TV adapter at home and occasionally wear my HAs when I go out. No complaints when out and Edge mode does help in noisy environments.

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Hi John,

Thank you for your observations! As it happens, I have a Sony Bravia sound bar and it is capable of streaming direct to my HAs. Which is fine, BUT because the sound is directed to the HAs only, the frequency response is very restricted. In order to get the full sound (including the lower frequency range), I need something like a headphone. In order to watch TV I need to turn the TV and sound bar audio off so as not to disturb others.

However, what I can do is use a pair of headphones with the HAs. By some miracle, I’m able to use a pair of Focal Bathys Headphones wearing the Starkeys. I’m not experiencing audible feedback from the HAs although I will check with my audiologist to see if inaudible (high frequency) feedback could occur when wearing headphones.

I agree that Edge mode is very effective in noisy environments but I need to find out if it does continuous analysis of the environment when you enable it or if you need to repeat the Edge mode calibration when you move to a different place.

danzl

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Hi danzl
I have Edge AI, and been wearing them since February. We have similar hearing losses and I have upgraded from Oticon Opn.

I need to do a fine tune because I’m finding I’m missing out on parts of people’s speech. The trouble is (and why I’ve not gone for the fine tune yet) is I don’t know what I’m asking for!

The Edge AI has Auracast which was a main reason for switching.

I’ve found the Edge mode has worked in some situations, but in other noisy environments I am clueless as to what people are saying - even more so than I was with the Otricons.

But, on the whole, speech is better.
Battery life … I’m not so sure about. I’m getting a day out of them, but they’ve been in since 7.30am this morning (it’s 8.30pm now - so 13 hours) and they have 26% charge left. I am nervous about running out of juice.

And I’m not a fan of rechargeable batteries in hearing aids as I’m always fretting about them losing charge and/or degrading quickly.

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Hello Phil,

Thank you very much for your comments. Much appreciated.

Firstly, on filtering, I’ve often found that the Edge mode is more effective than “Restaurant mode” although I expect the latter could be better adjusted. I was in a reasonably quiet cafe yesterday talking to one person across from me, about a metre way, and I was able to handle the conversation without going into “Restaurant mode”.

One thing I have noticed though is that filtering in “Restaurant mode” does not, in the least, get rid of occasional noise which is above background noise. For example, if there is a loud voice or laughter from another table in a restaurant I’ll definitely hear that above the people I’m talking to at the table. Loud clattering off dishes and banging of doors is still quite evident. I might add that there might be a neurological problem here in that I’m poor at filtering anyway!

Overall, as for you, I’m finding speech much better to capture so in nearly all table conversations I’ve had few problems.

On fine-tuning for music, the only way I think I’ll benefit is to have direct access to a fine tuning programme, play some music that I know very well and do an A/B comparison.

I can spend very long days on sites sometimes and can be moving around working from about 08:30 to 23:00 - some 16.5 to 17 hours. So far, I’ve been happy with the HAs with regard to their battery duration. I hope that this will remain reasonably constant as they age. Also, as mentioned elsewhere on this forum, I have invested in a battery pack that can be plugged into the HA charger so that I can at least do a quick charge while I’m travelling around.

By the way, in hard walled rooms such as bathrooms and kitchens, I’m still perceiving a slight echo from sound bouncing off the wall. Are you hearing that at all?

I hope to put a summary of my findings here in the next week or two.

danzl

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Hi there, i have exactly the same problem as you with same hearing aids …with trying to listen to music on my WiFi or concerts on my Sony Bravia TV.
In desperation to get close to what i remember of my favourite music , I have just recently purchased a Sennheiser HD569 over the ear headphones… and believe it or not, it didn’t make one iota of difference.
Like you say music detail is flat… cannot hear the rhythm of drums and singing sounds like it’s in the next room.

Personally, I feel Starkey failed to test their hearing aids with music lovers or musicians…
I too am in deep limbo and think this hearing aid is the very worst I have ever experienced.(Sorry Starkey!)
My NHS Oticon Intent is better than this aid.
So, having tried everything, numerous meetings with my lovely HA dispenser,
I am wondering if there is a HA exclusively for music?

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No there’s nothing exclusively for music, as HAs are designed for speech, however it’s usually not too hard to get music sounding acceptable, but a number of things come into play, receiver, acoustics and experience to get this sorted, Starkey are as good as any other brands, a number of people are happy with Widex models (zero delay supposably helps) but this is all down to the individual.
Post your audogram and exact model as this will help with advice.

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I had the Starkey AI24 hearing aids. I have a Samsung S22 phone and I was losing connection with the Bluetooth constantly.

I think the sound with the Starkey was fine, however, I went to the Phonak Infinio Spheres and a much happier especially with no Bluetooth connection loss.

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Many thanks for your reply. I will try and post my audiogram soon. Really appreciate your response.

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Hi folks

Just tuning in again after a pause.

On two subjects, sharpness of highs and general music response, I have more news.

I went back to my audiologist and summarised my findings to date:

  1. Sharpness in high frequencies. “Crystal mic” sound. To reduce this the audiologist slightly reduced the HA response in that region. Only slightly, since I now need time for my brain to take that in. That was three weeks ago and I can report that there is less sharpness. It’s still there but not as noticeable. So, I may get that adjusted again.

  2. Music. I told my audiologist that the mid-to-mid-low frequencies were lacking life in music. Using his system, he was able to fine-tune that frequency range and bring the response up a bit. I haven’t had time to do much music listening but I do notice a better sound. Note that with his system a far greater number of frequency ranges can be adjusted.

As an aside, music mode turns off all HA noise reduction processing.

My intention is to get the fine tuning to the point where I’m satisfied with the overall response. I’d rather do this with the audiologist because I think that fiddling with a custom system might make a mess of the overall frequency response which was modelled on my original audiogram.

Another observation. For concerts such as opera, the Starkeys were very good indeed with the dynamic range of orchestra and voice.

I’m off to a local jazz festival in July where music can go from very soft to rock-loud depending on what stage I visit. That will be a good test.

One thing to watch, in my view, is the point where the HAs leave off and the ear itself takes over. HAs are not going to do those low frequencies all that well - just check the size of their microphones. They aren’t studio ribbon microphones (condenser, ribbon, dynamic or a combination of these). And here is where I’m finding some interesting things. If I push the HA earmolds further into my ear the sound DOES sound warmer. So, I need also to consider the fit of the ear mould in my ears. It may be that I’ll have to get customised earmolds.

Am I getting there with music? Not yet, but some improvements have already been made. The next thing I want to do is contact a recording engineer and visit a studio. If the engineer can play some music that I know I’ll hopefully be able to get an idea of what’s good or bad about my HA system.

On listening with headphones, by accident I’m finding that the headphones I have do work with the Starkeys inside them. Volume adjustment is quite sensitive but for now the audio response is OK.

My test for music is to listen to studio monitor speakers and hear the detail and presence of the music, including studio presence.

danzl

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