During my trial I thought the Phonak Paradise were a bit tinny, compared to my Oticon Opn1, but that gradually changed. Then I tried the Oticon More1 and I found them tinny at first too! But I hear a lot better with the Paradise. The Signia AX were close behind, but I like the hands free phone option, the BT Classic, and the ability to use Roger devices directly prohided by Phonak. Both Paradise and AX provide ways to fine tune your programming yourself in the environment, which Oticon does not. Just one example: both Paradise and AX automatically determine when you are in a car, and switch to a program for it. Nothing like that in More.
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Please let us know how you like it when this switch occurs randomly when you’re not in a car, and you have to keep resetting your aids, day after day.
Nope, nothing like that, at all …
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Didn’t have that happen. I can see it happening in other machine type noise.
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But if it did, I think I could just change to another program.
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My last set of Unitron North Moxi Fit 800 did that so frequently, I came to despise the auto switching. I’m just saying that I hope you have better luck than I.
Are you Phonak ambassador? I know how aggressive may be marketing of Phonak. My friend is audiologist, and she really terrorized by Phonak courses and learning materials - whereas she sell Signia only.
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@anon33641277: Yes, a пропагандист, she is, for sure!
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the “in-car” program unfortunately only offers the P90. most people can’t afford it.
Have you taken your TV 3.0 Adapter to your audi? It has software that needs to be updated just like the hearing aids. Easy to do from the Genie2 menu.
I agree and also I found, I didn’t even need the car program as speech in noise did just as good a job.
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How does the “in car” program work? Does it steer the focus toward the passenger side – and possibly in addition to the regular speech-in-noise features?
I found a text about it Phonak AutoSense OS: The Evolution of Automation Technology
Speech in Car
Speech in Car is an exclusive program that the hearing aid will access automatically when it detects a car situation. It utilizes binaural synchronization in the Audéo V90. Just one of the hearing aids has to detect the signals of a small environment, such as a car. When one hearing aid changes to the Speech in Car program, it will talk to the other hearing aid and direct it to change programs after a 20-second timer within that specific environment has elapsed.Speech in Car reduces the low-frequency engine and road noise. The Venture chip has the ability to enable lower noise floors. When the car stops and the hearing aid no longer detects that environment for a sustained period of time, the hearing aid will go back into whatever program is appropriate for the next situation. A validation study comparing the Audéo Q90 to the Audéo V90 showed that 60% of patients reported less effort with Venture, including when listening in a car.
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The Paradise is much more complex- at least for the user. I was initially put off by that. The Signia AX is very similar for me, and easier to tailor programming using the assistant feature. But I feel I can hear a bit better with Phonak, and I like Classic BT, hands free phone, live BT connections to 2 devices at a time, and availability of Roger devices. I think with improved programming, the Oticon More would work for me too. I really loved my On1.
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The Oticon tv adapter?
Thanks. I did not know about this feature, as I have not had a passenger yet since I bought the Phonak. That said I’m not sure it is working with music in the car.
If it works, it is another reason to like my P90s.
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I have not noticed my Phonak N Paradise P90s switching in the car but that did happen today. I was at the fly casting ponds in SF’s Golden Gate Park at a casting seminar. The instructor was speaking from 15 meters away in the water but I seemed to have heard almost as well as many of the others in the class. So far so good.
But uh oh, the clowns in the Dodge Chargers roared by (about 4 blocks away) and the auto sense adjusted way down. Same thing happened when an airplane flew over.
Rant warning: I really resent Van Diesel and Jeremy Clarkson for glorifying modified exhausts. They are even worse than Harleys.
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What’s worse than Harley’s is the Dodge Ram bunch with open exhaust on their Cummins diesels.
And they intentionally release exhaust smoke at any hybrid car they see. Nice folks…
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It’s been an interesting journey for me, and engendered very interesting related and unrelated discussions! I’ve decided to buy the Phonak Paradise. Thank you everyone who answered my questions or shared your experiences. I had 12 good years with Oticon, and the More is another excellent hearing aid. But my needs are different now, and I’ve chosen the Paradise for reasons previously discussed. This is a great resource. I really appreciate everyone’s support.
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Which do you think is clearer in the multi person environment, Phonak P90 or Signia ax？
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