Hi everyone, what would you recommend, M90 or P30? Similar in price, so don’t take that factor in your advice. Both rechargeable. Thanks
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Link → Phonak Audéo Marvel vs Link → Phonak Audéo P
Elephant in the room: How are you going to replace the built-in rechargeable batteries?
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Well this is quite subjective as to which one, this is something that you need to find out, so best to trial them both to see which you prefer, one thing to consider which the audiology clinics will ask, is something along the lines of what kind of lifestyle do you have, as in, are you active quite a bit in places like restaurants, bars, lots of socialising, because as you can see in the post by PVC, that there’s a difference in the features being offered, a better comparison would be to at least compare the same levels.
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Thanks for your reply. I can’t go for a trial, I am DIY , so I buy aids and do my own programming. I’ve already had M90, and, except for Bluetooth, can’t see why such a hype about them. Basically, all these aids do the similar job, IMO. Mine were programmed by an audiologist, so it’s not due to my bad fitting. Having said this, I still want the best. How about Opn S1, what’s your opinion?
As for lifestyle, work-home, most of the time. Aids don’t help much at work, since youngsters working with me speak fast and soft… so I mostly rely on writing, but would still like to be involved in conversation sometimes…
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Do you have the features turned off like NoiseBlock, WindBlock, SoundRelax and others?
If you do then go for the P30 as they won’t have those features.
We can’t say which one will suit your lifestyle as it’s so individual.
Ok in this case you can still trial, but as your a follow DIY’er I’m wondering what your actually asking, because you’d already know the features difference by having target, so I guess real world experience, personally I don’t like Phonak, I don’t think much of Oticon ether, but this is just me, both those brands are quite different in how they approach things, honestly it’s not much point in asking is one better over another, only you’ll know which one you’ll like, and yes they all do a similar “job” as in help us hear, but we’re all very particular about which ones we like ; )
If you want the best ( features that is) you should obviously buy the premium models,
Well this isn’t right, I mean looking at your audiogram it’s not too bad at all, you should get good results if programmed to suit how you like to hear, which is the whole point of DIY.
I see @Zebras has replied, she has good experience with Phonak DIY as well.
Do you use domes or molds I wonder.
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Well, no one can say what is right or wrong with my understanding people at work, I think that I know better what I hear and what not 
English is not my native, but still good enough. In the end, I used to be professional level translator (texts only for the very same reason)
I found some info that Paradise, even at lower level (say, P30) are better than Marvels for speech
Well, what’s left? Widex can be programmed only with their own programmer which I had, but sold. How about Resound One?
Widex moment can be used with the Noahlink wireless, yes ReSound one or OMNIA and Signia Xperience or AX, both I’ve had very good results with, but again this is a very subjective opinion on which you should get, is it possible to trial a set from Costco?
Phonak’s Lumity is a step up from Marvel and Paradise, so that model may have more potential benefits for speech in your case. Phonak’s assistive devices are particularly convenient for work situations. I find the Roger Select microphone a godsend in meetings and for one-on-one conversations in difficult situations.
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What is the current thinking on useful working life of these batteries, now that theyve been around in various forms for some years in HAs? Has any after-market / independent ‘industry’ sprung up where they can be re- powered at a reasonable cost?
I don’t know about battery longevity. And, it would be different for different people. For some ppl who wear HAs for long hours and do a lot of phone call streaming it would be different than someone who goes to sleep with the chickens.
One DIY person has successfully self replaced the battery.
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Well it seems to be around 2 years 3 max, I haven’t seen any “aftermarket” places offing to replace your rechargeable batteries, it’s not for the faint-hearted!
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As an EV user, the peculiarities of Li-Ion batteries is constantly on our minds.Keeping LI-Ion batteries in a ‘sweet-spot’ area of 30-80% state of charge, rather than allowing them to drop much below 20% or much above 80% is considered to maximise longevity. Leaving them for long in either the <20 or >80 states seems to be the most damaging in that domain.
I wonder would such considerations be a factor in HAs. For example, would anyone consider a mid-day ‘splash and dash’ charging to keep them ‘in the zone’. coupled with a late charge coupled with a power-down at night?
So, basically, if a set of re-chargable HAs costs say 6k, the depreciation to zero value is a high as 2-3k per annum? 
Actually it’s just about that as soon as you walk out the audiologists clinic 
You’ll see the actual “resale” value of HAs on eBay and other auction sites.
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I think that the last few posts were absolutely off the topic. Please open your own posts if you want to discuss other things.
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Sorry but we’re expecting to get back on topic “shortly” stay tuned.