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@Volusiano

then couldn’t you have just added 4 dB in your gain curve in Fine Tuning on the low frequencies just the same to achieve a permanent adjustment to it?

The fine tuning curve for the MyMusic program is set for sound presented to the mics.
If I tailor it for streaming, it changes the balance for external audio.
I was going to create a separate streaming music program to accomplish exactly what you suggested, but decided to just let the On app do it’s thing.
There are streaming sources which require more or less gain at bass, mids, and highs, so the On EQ allows me to adjust as needed, rather than depend on an external EQ.
For MYMusic, I have a parametric EQ on my stereo, which gives me the granular gain at any given frequency I need, so both my requirements are satisfied!

@Volusiano

The real limitation of more bass is the tiny receiver and the leakage

Those tiny receivers are quite capable. The main reason HA’s don’t take advantage of them is the mfg’s decision to concentrate on speech. Also more power needed to get more gain would require a higher voltage source.
Agree on leakage, it’s the bane of bass loss!

[puresound]

@Volusiano

Then a few sentences later the OP said that his friend quickly dumped the More aids. So it’s not clear whether it’s the OPN 1 to Phonak transition or the More to Phonak transition, but the whole implication and title of the thread and the example of the musician friend at least implies that the dated ON app caused the switch.

@ Volusiano,

from my impression, my friend seemed to have switched from Oticon also because of the impressive app. I get your point that perfectly-tuned hearing aids do not need to be constantly readjusted.
But then again, a violin very close to one hearing aid can probably cause all sorts of frequency-related responses from the aid and that might have been another problem. His hearing loss is a cookie-bite one, by the way. He is wearing open domes so his loss is probably not that profound.

[Speedskater]

I have a view-point that id the opposite of ‘set-it and forget-it’.
Every situation has its own challenges, and any advanced feature has its own trade-offs.

[yakov1943]

Absolutely Agree. There should be at least adjustments of low and high frequencies.

[cvkemp]

I still stay in the camp if the aids are properly fitted there isn’t any need to fiddle with them. My aids set up in late November after being sent in for repairs and ended up being replaced. I haven’t had to even think about what settings I need or even adjust the volume. I may have a severe hearing loss but that doesn’t mean I don’t desire to hear the best possible without always fiddling with my aids by way of buttons apps or what ever. There was a time I couldn’t enjoy a church service, a lecture, or a movie without constantly fiddling with my aids, that takes all the enjoyment out of life.

[SpudGunner]

@cvkemp

There was a time I couldn’t enjoy a church service, a lecture, or a movie without constantly fiddling with my aids, that takes all the enjoyment out of life.

@cvkemp: … and I remember those times. It wasn’t that long ago. I believe that both of us have deriven a great deal of benefit from the superior technology and quality of our genuine Oticon Brand More1s (which both of us have done our best to ensure are properly adjusted).

[Volusiano]

If this thread is a debate about whether there should be adjustments for a smart phone app to give users more control of something in general for a support model that is not personalized (meaning you don’t get to have a professional whom you can see to do adjustments for you), then I would also be in the camp of having more adjustments, since my education background is technical as an engineer and I like to have as much controls as possible on my fingertip.

But this thread is about a smart phone app for hearing aids in a support model where a hearing care professional should be doing permanent adjustments for you, so the lack of more controls on the smart phone app depends on the choice of the HA mfg. If a HA mfg makes a conscious decision to give the HCP more controls over adjustments in the main program and give the user less control in the phone app, then as long as that decision results in a successful performance for the users, then there’s really not much to complain about regarding the app.

If one still prefers to have more control nevertheless (like I do), then the route to go would be the DIY route (which I also take). For about $150 to buy the Noahlink Wireless interface to a PC, you can download the Oticon Genie 2 software for free and learn to control all the parameters they have to your heart’s content.

But if one still prefers having more controls via a smart phone app instead of taking the DIY route despite all that, then one should really subscribe to and pick a HA brand that is more in line with this philosophy. You just need to decide what is more important → whether you’re choosing the HA brand for the controls in the app, or for the hearing aids themselves and what the aids can offer.