Do I need to do something to eable 4D on my Oticon Intent 1 or is it automatically on?
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Not sure what you mean. What is 4D. I have INTENT1 aids. I never have to touch them. I put the in my ears when I get up and forget about them until bedtime. I have no wind noise issues, no issues with restaurants, concerts, church service, meets, or lectures. I ride a Vespa Scooter without taki g my aids off and I drive everywhere with the windows down. Now I have custom ear molds.
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4D should be enabled in INTENT1 and INTENT2. It is available in INTENT 3 or 4
ā4Dā is also, in my opinion, complete marketing āBSā. To the point where I stopped taking any marketing claims from Oticon seriously.
Here is what they say:
This new 4D Sensor technology provides input from four dimensions: body movement, head movement, conversation activity, and acoustic environment.
Two of these four dimensions are covered by the HAsā microphones: conversation activity and acoustic environment. Nothing new here, every manufacturer does this.
Then they add an accelerometer for the other two dimensions. Also nothing new, pretty much every HA has one these days. Other manufacturers use it to count steps or detect tapping on the HA. Thatās fine.
But Oticon somehow claims that detecting head and body movement makes their HAs fundamentally better because they can now deduce your listening intent. They call it ā4Dā and name the entire hearing aid family after this great new feature of listening intent detection.
And they want us to still take any of their claims seriously?
I my opinion and my experience it does work as designed. I wear the INTENT1 aids and in my 20 years of wearing aids, the INTENT1 aids make me feel almost like I have normal hearing again. And all my friends and family has noticed tje difference in my capacity to carry on conversations in meets, and family gatherings.
So I say definitely it works and it is a wonderful addition to my life.
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I wouldnāt say the the Intent 4D is BS, but Iād say that itās much more rudimentary than Oticon marketing makes it out to be. The screenshot below is from a Philips 9050 whitepaper, but it pretty much captures the strategy of the 4D technology in easy terms users can understand more easily.
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And Iām not saying Intents are bad HAs. Not at all.
But the marketing claims are ridiculous. An accelerometer will not help your listening. There is no consistent correlation between head movement and listening intention.
Thanks @Volusiano for posting from the whitepaper. I think this illustrates perfectly how dumb the technology really is.
For example, āno motionā is simply not a reliable indicator that I want strong directional front focus. I might be enjoying the scenery wanting sound from all directions. Or maybe I do want front focus. The HAs wonāt be able to tell from my head movements.
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I know Dr. Cliff is not really as valid as a white paper, I still need to find it, but according to this video (https://youtu.be/pZu5X3-HQ2U?si=Qp6u0AxtmOpV1Q9i&t=744) the idea of this sensor is to manipulate the SNR depending on what the user is doing. If youāre walking around, it decreases the SNR, if youāre stopped and trying to listen to a conversation, it increases the SNR.
In practice, something is definitely working better on my Intents than with my Moreās, Iām able to listen to conversations more easily in a noisy restaurants and participate in such conversations.
Oticon is aware that people may behave in āunexpectedā ways and allows you to have a program without the 4D sensor enabled if the user wishes, in Genie 2.
No the market claim isnāt ridiculous with this aids what is ridiculous is the lackluster abilities of so many audiologist st fitting the aids.
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My SOLE interest in wearing hearing aids is for MUSIC PERFORMANCE.
Is it gross ignorance on my part to assume that 4D might be counterintuitive to what I need for hearing myself and others when Iām performing in a group?
I wear ONE Oticon Intent 1 in my left (damaged in low frequency sounds) ear, and although this set up is fine for conversation, I still feel as though Iām not hearing my real sound when Iām playing my low frequency brass instrument.
I am not a musician. I have a severe cookie bite hearing loss. My aids are set up to allow me to understand speech. Without aids my word recognition is below 50% with my aids my word recognition is 90% and actually improving. I was introduced to listen therapy and I has helped alot but it is a continuous process. My aids are fine tuned to give what my hearing loss requires. I donāt need extra programs. I put my aids on in the morning and forget them. I go to all types of environments. I enjoy music, concert music even, meetings, and lectures. I use to never listen to music or go to concerts or meetings or lectures. I have worn aids for 20 years and Oticon aids for 15 years. My present audiologist and I have about 30 fitting appointments under our belts to bet my aids this way starting back with the OPNS1 aids. It was a learning process for both myself and my audiologist who is a professor of audiology at the state medical school. I have become a case study in his classes and have taken his courses. My understanding is that you donāt get the full benefit of the aids unless you wear them in both ears. But my hearing loss is very close to the same in each of my ears. I know my music hearing is very basic. So I can answer your question.
But I can tell you this if I am in a meeting and I turn my head to the person talking the conversation with him becomes crystal clear. And yes my aids are adjusted so I can hear 360 degrees around me. But to clearly understand speech i have to turn to fact the person if more than one person is talking. I have set in a restaurant and heard someone one behind me talking very clearly until someone in front of me starts talking. With the INTENT1 aids i can tell where sound is coming from something I never had before with hearing aids.
I am a retired electronics technician/engineer and a software engineer so i understand communications technology as well as software design. And the biggest problem we have is that design, development is for a head of the understand by the users, the maintenance technicians and yes the audiologist. I spend 60% of my time learn how to fix issues when new hardware or software came out.
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Might be interesting to try different fittings, one for vac+, another for NL-NAL2, and yet another with My Music
the motion sensor is active by default, it can be deactivated in genie
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This is so helpful you wrote this. I am sitting on a fence re replacing my current Oticon with Oticon intent.
Does the Oticon intend come with a better application? The old app was really a problem. Thank you for your help.
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It only has the same companion app but a few added options. I seldom use or even open the app.
Thank you! Very helpful!
they will probably have the app change when they launch their aura cast
app. While it is ok, still have a long way to go