MyMusic disappointment

Hearing Aids
#18

@Volusiano and @al11: I would like to clarify that I am not comparing what I hear from an actual AirPod Pro 2 or Phonak Lumity. I am just reporting my impression of the audio samples in that link I posted above (that seems to be down now), following the instructions I was given (no hearing aids, good headphones, normal volume). At this point I do not own an AirPod Pro 2 (I own the older version) and wear Oticon More :slight_smile:

I think you both point out, perhaps, a limitation of that sort of samples: are they able to fully capture the music experience of the real thing in our ears, pumping low frequencies all over our skulls?

#19

Thanks for the clarification, @e1405 . Yeah, depending on the audio samples used for the comparison, they may not cover the full range of audible sounds.

#20

@Volusiano: Perhaps this is why my Zamphir CDs sound like they are missing some notes (or even full bars) during some songs, especially at the climax of the tune?

#21

Haha, good one, @SpudGunner . Your Zamphir CD can sure do away with the fine attributes of the AirPods’s thundering bass for sure.

#22

Hello Samuel, I have the Oticon More 1, and I am astonished that your having such problems??
Can you post or send a screenshot of your settings & your hearing Test?
I myself Stream and Listen a High end setup Atmos and it (they) work perfectly.

#23

I crafted a new music program for my Oticon More 1 based on the Phonak Lumity. I used NAL-NL2, which seems to be the closest option Genie 2 offers to Phonak’s proprietary fitting formula. Then I tweaked the frequencies I know that need to be lowered a bit. This early version is already considerably better than all my previous experiences with MyMusic. It sounds great for both streamed music and my two guitars.

As it is often stressed on this forum, much of hearing improvement comes from good implementation. I guess the same goes for manufacturers and their “modeling” choices (fitting formula, compression rates, gain targets, MPO, etc.). I will be sure to peruse other’s companies fitting software from now on :wink: .

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#24

My understanding is most all proprietary formulas start with that as a basis b

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#25

I have Oticon Real 3 and MyMusic is great for me I can hear the upper register like I used to 30 years ago.

#26

The MyMusic enables the full music Dinamics and Frequency range of the music.

It has nothing to do with ones Likes/Dislikes of the music.

#27

I believe the setting can be done ONLY on iPhoes NOT on Androids, is that correct?

#28

Not sure what you’re trying to get at here. No matter how well Oticon thinks they have designed the MyMusic program to be, it’s still subject to people’s like or dislike of it. It’s the opinion of the wearer that matters. OK, you may think MyMusic is great for you, it doesn’t mean that it’s great for others who don’t like it.

Nobody said that the MyMusic program doesn’t enable the full music dynamic or does not enable the frequency range of the music. The criticism is in the “colorization”/“equalization” at certain frequency ranges. It may sound great for a certain type of music, but it may become non-authentic/inaccurate for other types of music. MyMusic is as good or as bad as the listener judges it to be.

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#29

1st off, you have the Real 3, which lacks the most important features for the full range dynamics, and frequency range of music. So there’s that.
The Real 1 and Real 2 have what Oticon chooses to label Clear Dynamics, which is their way of defining high dynamic input levels in dB SPLs.
Since your model only allows up to 105dB SPL input levels, higher energy audio is clipped, and you get limited fidelity.
Also, the Real 3 has a fitting range up to 8khz, which is not the full frequency range.
These are just some tech details you should be aware of.
The MyMusic program uses a fitting rationale Oticon devised based on the Harmon target, which emphasizes the Bass and upper mid-range frequencies, which most people do enjoy.

As @Volusiano mentioned, this works great for you, and according to general survey results up to 70% of listeners enjoy the Harmon target, but for those 30% that do NOT enjoy this formula, it is very difficult to use MyMusic!
I am in no way trying to offend or argue with you, but only give you the other side of the coin, based on techical facts, and in my case, my opinion.
I’m very happy you are enjoying your music, and I hope you continue to do so.

#30

I agree fully with you and another has pointed out that my Real 3 is limited in frequency range compared to Real 1 which is the best in Oticon range.
Thank you.

#31

Thank you for your explanation.
I have responded to Voluciano.
I am thankful for the Forum and the members.

#32

I’m glad you are objective, and found our information informative.
We are here to help each other, and look forward to having you join in the discussions as a official Oticonian!

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#33

flashb 1024,
Thank you. Some Tech question ti you (ir anyone else) whi wish to reply.

  1. When AUD tests for hearibg loss, what range of frequency do they test to?
  2. Technically, upto what range can they test to?
  3. Having read & seen the graphic of Oticon MyMusic paper, can technology be able to make a person hear the full spectrum? Or does AGE destroy the sensors ( can’t remember the wird fir it) in the ear?
#34

I know you’re asking @flashb1024 . But it’s pretty obvious if you look at your own audiogram that most audiometry test only goes up to 8 KHz. Most hearing aids don’t go above 10 KHz. Usually amplification for hearing impaired people above 10 KHz yields very little return on investment, even if they try to do it. It’s just not worth the cost of HA mfgs to go above 10 KHz. Then they’ll have to sell more expensive aids and lose out to HA mfgs who sell less expensive aids because they don’t have to invest in products that go past 10 KHz. Besides, the main focus of hearing aids is on speech understanding. Music reproduction is a secondary goal, and again most hard of hearing folks can’t discern much of anything above 10 KHz to be bothered with going past that anyway.

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#35

As @Volusiano replied, there’s no way to regain the whole spectrum.
With the higher tech level HA there are enough eq points to go up to 10khz, but it may just not be attainable depending on your loss.
Here’s an explaination of the causes of age related hearing loss.

#36

Thank you very much. I shall enjoy MyMusic as long as I can.

#37

Thank you very much for the article. I appreciate it.