Hey guys, I got the Signia Charge & Go SP hearing aids which are for people like me with severe to profound hearing. They are performing great so far but the gain is set to 60db in one ear and 61db on the other. My question is, what max level of gain is dangerous? I tried to increase the gain to 64 dB and that made the voice become louder and clearer, however, after a few hours, I could feel the sound hitting the eardrum and feeling a bit discomfort. However, on the Connecx software, it feels just 78-80% of the gain, with 20% more to go. So am I am in safe levels? What gains have you guys set for your hearing aids?
Tenkan is familiar with Signia software.
Have you changed any MPO settings?
Did you do the initial programming for your new aids?
I ask because the software has many safeguards to protect your hearing when set up properly.
Can you give more information on what you have done, screenshots of your set up will help, including what the MPO is set at.
Don’t do this, if it’s uncomfortable you have reached the limit of UCL (uncomfortable loudness level)
But we need more information about your DIY set up to offer any real advice.
It was just a question since I was tweaking the settings and was checking what levels are safe. Here is my current configuration that is the universal mode. Yes, I did the initial fitting.
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Ok, so seems you have the basics sorted, however what formula are you using (looks like Xfit) also obviously you set the correct acoustics for what molds and vent you use.
But I do see a few things that you can try to improve/help your situation, I noticed in your audiogram, that you haven’t entered all the frequency (pitch) points,
125Hz , 750Hz,1500Hz,3K,and 6k, I would suggest adding these in a new client so you can compare.
Also click on the curve display to see how the different formula works, a lot of power users like DSLv5, but you can try them all, set up a different client for each if you want, and you can swap and change to see how different they work for you.
You can also try peak clipping it’s recommended for power hungry users, this allows for a higher output level.
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This was very helpful. I learned a lot. I will try all of your suggestions. Unfortunately, every audiologist I have visited checks the way I have set and doesn’t check for 125Hz, 750Hz, 1500Hz, 3K, and 6k. This is something I have found very odd. How many of you have set all the points? Did it help?
I can test all these extra frequencies but the 125 Htz on the Phonak Software.
Other hearing aid softwares, might be different tho.
I found a greater understanding of speech after testing these frequencies and adjusting my Aids.
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Glad to hear that. I will visit the audiologist and ask him to test all these frequencies and will then try to tweak the heading aid after that.
Can you do in-situ fittings with your new aids?
Unfortunately, no. I will have to visit the Audiologist to get the test but I believe it will be worth it. Let’s see how it goes.
@TallRobocop you can do in-situ fittings, it’s called InSituGam, they make it a little hard to find in Connexx, but if you click on First fit, you get the option right down the bottom of the page next to Critical Gain (feedback test)
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Very impressive, I always wondered what this was. I will give it a try and report back if your suggestions made any improvement.
Thanks,
I figured it was there.
Glad you could help him.
@TallRobocop Very curious to hear how this works out for you. My experience has been in-situ is a better fit. With your hearing loss it might be a huge help.
Good luck
Hey @tenkan and @Raudrive, I just tried to do in-situ fitting. The audiogram is definitely coming out slightly different and I have a good feeling about it but I am stuck and need your help. In the Connexx software, I am unable to go under a certain point for each frequency. There is some red graph at the bottom and the point won’t go there, even if I use extend range option. The point can only go to max bottom where there is a grayish area. Please see attached screenshot. Any idea how to fix this?
With Phonak you can left mouse click that spot and get a menu that has “no response”
That’s what you need to find, no response.
You are doing good. These are the things that make for good programming.
So it seems you have reached the maximum output, so as @Raudrive says just right click and enter no response.
Hey guys! @tenkan and @Raudrive, I did it. For the right ear it made sense to stop there but the left ear was weaker so I took the rest of the data from the audiogram. The result of taking this in-situ test has been dramatic. The audiogram turned out to be completely different from 4 different audiologists who took my test (see screenshot in my earlier posts to compare).
The clarity was fine during the initial fit (xfit worked better than DSLv5) but gain was too low. I increased gain to 56dB and then I set MPO to Peak Clipping and Wow! This is it! This is what I have been trying to achieve for the past one year trying different aids and different settings. Everything is so good. I can recognize my own voice properly and there’s the perfect balance of hard, medium and soft sounds by default. My ears don’t pain even with peak clipping and yet the sound is loud enough to hear properly. I am loving it.
So two things helped - In-Situ fitting and peak MPO. My only question is, I have kept other frequencies blank, I have not right-clicked and chosen “Not heard/No sound” option. Is that fine or should I tell the software there is no sound in other frequencies? If yes, does it make a difference which dB I select when right-clicking and choosing “Not heard/No sound”? See audiogram below:
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You are doing great.
Can you hear your vehicle turn signal?
Microwave beeps, birds or smoke alarm?
Curious, I know you are happy but these changes seem odd.
This usually means the audiogram is incorrect or the experience level is wrong. Where did you change the gain? MPO normally shouldn’t be messed with unless there is recruitment.
Clipping is odd too. Did you run your feedback tests? What acoustics do you have?
Let us know.
If I am off on these questions please say something.
Hey @Raudrive, you’re right. I rechecked. I first set MPO to “Peak Clipping” and then adjusted gain to 56dB where I am comfortable. I increased gain on the Basic Tuning page. I used peak clipping in MPO because as @tenkan said it is the option for severe to profound hearing aid users like me and it works. The software said the same thing. It’s past midnight at my end and I will give this setting a good try tomorrow and report back if I can hear all sorts of sounds. I am attaching my settings below. Gain was set to 56db by me, however the compression was set by default by the software based on my audiogram.
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