How many here have learned to read lips?

Same here. I didn’t know that I was lip reading till someone else noticed

I think we rely on speech reading more than we realize even without hearing impairment. But facial expression and body position play a part as well. Setting and context are also important. For example, you would likely expect more medical terms at a doctor appointment while automotive terms would be used at a garage.

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I have relied on speech reading all my life. As a result of autoimmune disease I have battled inflammatory eye disease as uveitis, for the vast majority of my adult life. As a result, I am blind in the left eye and less than legally blind with best correction (20/400) on the right. Speech reading has become torture most of the time. Hence my decision to get a cochlear implant.

Lip reading is difficult in the dark places so I avoid meeting people at night outdoors.
I’m a home cat

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The funny part is you do it automatically, especially in loud environments…I worked in communications, the noise level was very high.

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Yeah we all “Lip Read”… Even the folks with perfect hearing. The pandemic was a rude awakening for hearing folks, as well as HOH… My A.uD said as much, and she has perfect hearing, she struggled badly with face masks! Only approximately 30% or so words a clearly distinguishable on the lips though, the rest we get from facial expressions, body language, in our search for contextual information, and some words, for instance “Bees” & “Peas”, these are indistinguishable because of their lip pattern, it is as we all know very easy to misinterpret a key word, and subsequently derail a conversation, in some cases with hilarious consequences, or in others perhaps acute embarrassment… Lip Reading (so called here in the UK) isn’t an exact science, it is more of a visual assistance to hearing, and yes you can become very skilled in Lip Reading, in the UK they run various Lip Reading classes, I have done a few courses over the years, they where always fun to learn, and making a complete fool of yourself in front of your fellow students, was common place… Cheers Kev :wink:

Edit; Some online practice for Lip Reading, see link below :grin:

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Exactly @kevels55 , I find that the case for me as a bimodal, i never use lipreading to directly associate word but indirectly to confirm emotional context…

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Agreed @ssa… Most folks will encounter various obstacles to successful Lip Reading, mumbling, beards, some folks talk with their hands covering their mouth (most annoying for a Lip Reader) poor lighting, some folks show very little emotional facial expressions… A good Lip Reader will probably guess correctly, maybe 4 out of 12 words spoken, but if they miss the key word… They could be away down a different topic of conversation, so I reiterate, it isn’t an exact science… Just a visual aid, or confirmation of what you thought you heard! Cheers Kev :wink:

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same here

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I have been lipreading since I was a child. I still do it now. When COVID hit and all the masks came out in force, I really felt isolated because I cannot understand what people are saying with their mouths covered.

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Yes the mask did a lot of people in. Even people with normal hearing.

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I used to be quiet proficient at reading lips when my WRS was 22%. Since I’m now bimodal I don’t have any need to do so anymore. I’m not even sure that I could any more either.

I did evening classes for several months until the trainer had to stop (illness). As well as the lip reading, our trainer arranged for demonstrations of equipment etc to keep it interesting and give our brains a rest. Although it wasn’t a detailed course, I definitely got a lot out of it, not least meeting people in similar circumstances to me.

I love reading this thread and recognizing the shared experiences of lipreading without even being fully aware you’re doing it. I’ve never been taught or had classes, but the difference in hearing with masks during COVID/backs turned to me, etc. clearly shows that I use lips a LOT (and, as others have said, it helps with context too).

My husband and I constantly row about this. He gets frustrated that I misheard him and says I should have asked. But I try to explain that I don’t know what I mishear and can’t ask for clarification on everything!! The perils of marital communication!!

I also spotted some posts about reliance on and losing sight. To be honest, losing my sight is my worst nightmare. My grandfather had AMD and gradually lost his vision. I know that sight loss would also mean difficulty hearing - my eyes are my ears. It’s that niggly worry buried at the back of my mind. Pops up to say hello every so often, generally when I don’t really need extra anxiety…

Oh my! As if being deaf-blind weren’t enough COVID comes along and throws a whole new monkey wrench in the works! I’ve suddenly gained a whole new respect for users and providers of 1:1 interpretation. That’s something that simply can’t be done from six feet away!

Hi Kev, just going through some old posts as I haven’t been into HF for a long time. Appt next week w/ Audi. Nothing new for me, but I think I am going to get rid of the molds and resort to domes again. Hearing is no better with the molds.

BTW, something happened about two months ago, while I was just walking in the hallway of my apartment building. I was doing nothing but all of a sudden my aids exploded oddly. They became so loud. I had a problem putting them back to normal. It took a couple of weeks, but finally everything settled in. Is this a normal phenomena once in a while?

I understand the bees are swarming amongst the peas as I tell folks.

Have a blessed Easter.
Anita

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It certainly can’t hurt to take formal lessons. Like many others on this forum, I’ve learned to lip-read naturally over the years. For me that became extremely clear when everyone started wearing masks and I had no idea what they were saying.

My own belief is that my brain (and probably other HOHs) has become hyper-developed to guess possibilities of what someone is saying based on context. That is, if the conversation is about, say, the greatest footballer of all time, I know to look out for a comment on Messi, Renaldo, Pele, etc and look for clue words about those players. That gives me a basis for understanding and replying.

When a conversation begins without context, all bets are off and I’ve been known to make some hilarious comments / replies.

But, yes, anything one can do to improve reading lips is a great idea.

I believe that I’ve always lipread since being a child, I’m just now learning cued speech to help even more and use ASL in my daily life.

Same to you Anita :pray: I would not say your hearing aids exploding is a normal phenomenon, or indeed a similar sound of an explosion, I can’t think what that would be? But if it’s basically a one off, or it’s gradually resolved itself, I wouldn’t worry too much, could have been feedback of some sort, I would tell your A.uD, or HIS, well I would mention it, and see what they think…Yeah the Peas, and the Bees, funny how little things like that stick in one’s psyche… and possibly more important matters drift from our memories. As I have said many times before, lip reading isn’t an exact science, approximately 30% of all words are easily distinguishable on someone’s lips, the other 70% need contextual information, and good guesswork… But, beards, no facial expressions, mumbling, hand around the speakers mouth, are all conversational killers for you, it’s very easy to go off track! :upside_down_face: Although you usually know you have made a Boo Boo, by the obvious strange looks you are getting, it’s embarrassing when it happens, but hay you are deaf, being HOH, it is easier for you to go off track in a conversation, than staying on track, tis also very tiring, and when you tire, your concentration wavers, and you start misinterpreting certain words, if it’s a key word, then you are off in a different direction… At this stage, it’s probably better to take your leave, and head on home… After a few hours, Lip reading can be extremely exhausting!!! Cheers Kev :wink:

Just a little note here. I could be wrong, but I think Pele was a soccer player. If those men are in the discussion, perhaps they are talking soccer. I know he wasn’t a football player.