This instruction through me off:
Simulation mode
Even if instruments are not connected, it is still possible to see the In-situ Audiometry tool in simulation mode. However, it is not possible to enter results.
Thanks
Now that the OPN has been out for 2.5 years, there seems to be more supply of it on eBay for a good price. A couple of days ago, an auction ended for a pair of OPN 1 with the winning bid of $1,100 (I participated in that bid but lost). I also see a pair of OPN 1 with the Z power battery doors (but no ZPower charger) for $1,795 buy it now price with 2 weeks return policy.
I’ve been looking for a Connect Clip on eBay but did not find any available from the US for a good price. Amazon has one available but for $400 which is not a good deal to me. But I saw a package of OPN 1 pair with a Connect Clip on auction. I won that auction last night for $1,090. I think that’s a good price especially with the Connect Clip included. I will also have good use for the extra pair of OPN 1 that I just won as well.
Anyway, just thought I’d share this on the forum so DYI folks who are in the market for OPNs on eBay are aware that eBay supplies of used OPNs have seemed to be picking up nicely. Needless to say eBay purchases always carry risks that you should be willing to take on in order to find and get a good deal.
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Oticon Genie2 software: were can I find the standalone database in W10 ?
Thanks, but this was not the question.
I do have the Genie 2 software, but I want to make a regular backup of the standalone database.
In which W10 folder is this database located?
Did you know that each Client session is automatically saved for you? In other words, each fitting session has it’s own entry in the database. When you are viewing a Client, click on the little “>” arrow next to the Client Id to expand the Genie client view to show each session.
Also; I opened a new thread for you;
Which location/folder contains the Oticon Genie 2 Client-Settings?
@Volusiano; A pair of NEW Oticon Opn 2 Mini Rites went for $600 . Scroll down this EBay link.
Tip: Click “Save this search” and EBay will send you email notifications anytime a new listing event occurs;
That’s interesting that the detailed description said that they’re a company buying and selling retail items from companies going out of business or liquidators, but they’ve only had 3 eBay transactions so far. I’d rather buy from an individual than a company with that little sale history. Seems kind of fishy.
The other thing I notice is that there didn’t seem to be an auction for the item. It says that this item is no longer available. It doesn’t say that this item was sold. I’ve bought a few pairs of Apple Airpods that I thought was a good deal only to have eBay remove the listing because it was a fraudulent listing by hackers who hacked into dormant accounts. Sometimes eBay detects this before a sales happens and they remove the listing, that’s when you click on the item and it says that this item is no longer available. Otherwise it should have said that this item has been sold.
By the way, I received the pair of OPN 1 and Connect Clip and they seem to work out fine. One of the receivers was not up to par but luckily I had a spare to replace it with. Otherwise it’d be $50 for a new one from eBay.
Yeah, well, these probably fell off the back of a truck. They were sold, not cancelled. I would have no problem buying new/factory-packaged hearing aids while relying on my credit card chargeback rights to claw the money back if they are not-as-described.
With all EBay hearing aid purchases, you never want them sent back to the manufacturer in case they might get confiscated.
Yes, the biggest risk is that they work now but if they stop working and it’s not something simple like a receiver which can be bought and replaced, then you’re out luck.
Actually I heard about someone who bought from buyhear and their OPN went bad (not the receiver) and they managed to get Loyd to repair it for them somehow for a fee.
The most plausible source of premium hearing sales not from companies is likely from veterans who enjoy new and free premium hearing aids from the VA every few years, so they get to sell their previous premium hearing aids on eBay. I guess the VA doesn’t ask for the old pair back.
I guess non veterans can do this as well (resell their older hearing aids), but they are more likely to wear their hearing aids a lot longer before they upgrade compared to veterans who get to upgrade to another premium brand for free more frequently.
This question is not specific to the OPN programming, but more about programming with a software that has in-situ audiometry. But since I’m only doing OPN programming with the Genie 2 software, might as well post it here on this thread.
Also would like to have some opinion of a couple of our esteemed pros, @Um_bongo and @Neville.
So here’s the question.
Since Genie 2 has restored the in-situ audiometry functionality, and to give you an idea how far off things deviate from the original audiogram, it does graphically show the original audiogram that was input into the Genie 2 to determine the target prescription.
The question is that if I want to make an adjustment, say to reduce my mid frequencies a little bit, specifically at say 1 and 2 KHz.
The obvious way would be to go into the fine tuning section and make amplification adjustments to the 1 and 2KHz data points. But in this case, there are 3 levels of adjustments, for Loud, Moderate and Soft, and I’m not sure how much to adjust to each level.
Then there’s also a question of how many dBs do I want to adjust. Of course with the DIY advantage, I can just try out a few dBs and if not enough, go back for more fine tuning.
Then I’d have to think about how to keep the balance on both ears, because the loss on both ears may be different at those 2 data points, meaning whether I use the same incremental adjustments on both ears, or deciding on some kind of proportional adjustment. I have no idea how I would even go about deciding on what the proportional adjustment would be.
Then I’d have to also keep track of how much I adjusted the first time around, then the second time, etc, in case I want to undo/redo, etc, which can be a hassle. Maybe it starts getting more complicated after a while
But I was thinking “How about just make the adjustment I want using the in-situ audiometry instead?” This way, I only have to decide on adjusting the threshold levels on those 2 data points, then let Genie 2 automatically re-prescribe based on my in-situ changes. At least that seems a lot simpler than having to go in and figure out how to do the actual fine tuning myself.
Is there any flaw in this thinking? Pros and cons? Thanks.
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I never ever use the oticon in situ. I’ll use the widex sensogram, but I have not found any of the other manufacturer in situs to be beneficial.
But sure, that’s not an unreasonable way to go about things. Except I imagine it limits you to 5 dB step sizes. (Edit: Maybe not. If I close my eyes and imagine the genie software, I seem to recall you can just type your thresholds in on the audiogram screen, and that probably allows to the 1 dB.)
When fiddling with compression (i.e. adjusting the levels separately) keep in mind that increasing compression may increase audibility for soft sounds and comfort for loud sounds, but it also increasingly distorts speech cues. More severe losses on the one hand may require more compression because of the reduced dynamic range for loudness, but they also tolerate less compression because there is already a significant amount of distortion in the ear itself and so the temporal cues in speech (which get smooshed with compression) are more important. So it’s a bit of a twitchy balance. I think I mentioned earlier–prescritive targets haven’t settled on a preferred amount of compression. Try flipping back and forth between NAL-NL2 and DSL 5.0 and looking at the differences in compression.
If in doubt, adjust all levels together.
You can certainly do that, the risk is that you’ll drift the aid towards settings you prefer rather than the best prescriptive model for your hearing. That said, it’s just as good as any other subjective model of fitting, if a bit more long winded.
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Thank you both for your inputs!
Hi there,
I am new to this forum, I follow this thread but I still confused… I just had new OTICON OPN and I am looking for step by step to enter the audiogram test into the gennie2. In my audiogram, I have symbol ] [ but I can’t find any where to in gennie2 a feature to add this symbol ([], I think this is mean masked for UCL feature). Please advice
and I am sorry if this is not a right thread to post this question
thank you
Thank you so much PVC!
I have few more questions please. I heard if I did not do audio-gram correct, I can put myself at deaf permanently. Is this true? (this statement is kind of scary to me)
So by learning from this thread, I took Cosco hearing test and put into audio-gram of Gennie2 then try to adjust solid line to close to dashed line on both ears in fitting tab. Would any of you please give me the feedback if I did these right please?
Here is my Hearing test from Cosco and my audio-gram. Would you please let me know if I entered value correctly base on my hearing test below
Thank you all for your help
Thank you so much PVC!
Here is my Hearing test from Cosco:
I wanted to add one more picture from fitting tab but I can’t, due to newest membership…
I will try to upload if I can
Is there a primer for “default” programming using just the audiogram?