OK - that is very helpful to know! I may some day have that MyPhonak app dowloaded to my phone. I’d put it on a year ago when I bought the Paradise (which I traded in under trial for the Lumity Life), and it was the odd LE-Phonak that fuddled me. So I removed it. Now that I know its purpose it makes sense. Thanks!
BT compatibility was a big deal for me, so Phonak was a clear winner. I am super satisfied in how BT in the Phonak aids works seamlessly across Apple, Android, TVs, laptops, my garmin watch, etc.
I consider them my most expensive earbuds, because I use them that way everyday, in addition to helping me hear.
I would prefer any other device with Bluetooth 5.3 to Phonak, for future compatibility with Auracast and BLE Audio. Phonak have old Bluetooth 4.2 with backward Bluetooth 2 compatibility.
Yes plus LE Audio will be backwards compatible with some devices and is true wireless stereo broadcast, this is a game changer for sure, I wouldn’t bother with anything that is 4.2 now. LE Audio is expected to be up to 50% of the market in the next few years, for HAs/hearables it’ll be far more then that.
Phonak tried to get around the limitations of 4.2 by using the “master/slave” set up, too power hungry, dual streaming will minimise power consumption plus latency as well.
I’ve even heard that 5.2 could be “updated” to accept LE Audio as well, so I guess even more devices could be used.
I wouldn’t assume that BT 5.2/5.3 in a device gives you an upgrade path to LE Audio.
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Would people be able to keep their older Bluetooth hearing aids as spares and still be able to connect via Bluetooth?
I’m also not a fan of updating my iPhone when the next one comes out. I’m in rural Wales at the moment and have massively enjoyed not been able to use my iPhone most of the time.
I’ll update hearing aids all the time but I’ll get my iPhone to last as long as possible.
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Despite how appealing the idea is, my experience is that trying to make a purchase “future proof” seldom works out. I do best if I concentrate on buying something that does a good job of meeting my current needs. If it happens to have some neat features that I don’t need, so much the better but I don’t think they’re worth sacrificing something you will actually use now for.
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I know what you’re saying. Some people get around that issue by buying a new car, or a new phone, every time a new model comes out. Others will keep their phone or car for years, and be happy with it.
Technology is advancing faster than ever right now. I think anyone would feel compelled to “future proof” a purchase of this magnitude if at all possible. Look at electric cars - I found out that buying one a few years ago was a really bad idea - it barely went 100 miles on a charge, and was next to worthless on trade-in. Now they’re talking about having solid state batteries that will last over 700 miles within a year or two. Sure, it’s a different scenario, but not entirely.
At least for cars - and now phones - there are trade-in programs. I haven’t seen anything like that for hearing aids, and I’m guessing it would be a tough sell. Are there any?
As far as meeting my current needs, though, both Signia and Phonak have been pretty weak. Maybe it’s just a matter of my brain getting used to them, as I always hear. But the sound from either is just not very good (tinny, at best), and it often seems like the background noise is what’s most amplified. I know it’ll take some adjustments. In the meantime, I guess I’m focusing on objective qualities such as Bluetooth.
I’m the very opposite with Phonak. I can’t even hear wind with Phonaks and background noise is extremely muted Altho I can still just about hear it.
I have all features like NoiseBlock etc turned off.
I have no idea which phonak’s you tried, I have the newer phonak audieo L70-R, I have never lost a phone connection, it is so clear, these HA’s have a built in speaker so I can take a call when in a separate room from my phone, clear as a bell, no connection issues at all, it also works very well with the TV .
Well it’s a good question, I can’t see why not, one would like to think so, my guess is later models yes, but the older stuff will be phased out and unsupported over time like everything else.
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It’s fine to choose any characteristic to choose a hearing aid as they can all be adjusted to sound pretty much the same. You want a pink one and only one manufacturer makes it, fine. Tinny sound quality is either a result of venting or adjustment. It’s not a quality of the aids. The next big thing in Bluetooth is LE Audio and Auracast. Even if an aid is certified BT 5.3, it’s no guarantee that it meet those other specs. A possibility yes, but no guarantee.
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It’s not just a matter of the BT version used by the HAs - the version used by your phone is also key. When I was tossing up between Phonak and Oticon when I upgraded my HAs 2.5 years ago, I went with Phonak and its Classic Bluetooth rather than Oticon and its Bluetooth LE because it meant that I didn’t also need to upgrade my phone to one that supported BT LE.
It’s not so much the BT version as much as it’s type. Phonak hearing aids use standard Bluetooth but almost all others use Bluetooth low energy. Low energy doesn’t play nice with android phones. You might want to search for order discussions about Bluetooth as there have been many.
Marvel M90 SP aids.
I just recently updated my Samsung phone to a later model one that uses Bluetooth 5.3 and the improvement over version 5 is so much better, with no problems with connectivity since upgrading, unlike before with dropouts that happened nearly every day.
I checked the phone specs and updated and have had no dropout in the 10 days I have had the new phone.
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Are you using domes or moulds?
Streaming can be tinny with domes, as the bass frequencies escape from your ear canal
Peter
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Very curious to hear more about your experience with the Orka 2, as I see nobody else has mentioned them here. On paper, I can see why you were interested in trying them.
On Friday I had a remote session with a highly competent Au.D. She re-tuned my Orka 2 HAs to be much closer to my audiogram, which I had previously submitted over the net as part of the registration procedure in the app. All aspects of the performance were pretty darn good, except that the incoming streaming of phone calls was too faint to make out. However, my outgoing chatter was apparently very well received (a prior trial with my spouse produced similar results). I switched to a mid-size set of double domes, and the incoming music streaming was of almost acceptable volume. But, the phone stream had not improved. Today I received a text from the audi saying that the techies were working on the issue, please stand by. So, at the very least, they have attentive staff with great customer response. Another thing that I cleared up was that indeed these are meant for mildly severe hearing loss. Somewhere in the weeds of their online presence they used the FDA “mild to moderate” qualifier. The audi said that she would get that corrected. The charging case is absolutely first class; in addition to USB-C (wall wart and cable included) it works with a wireless charging pad just like ear buds, and it has a button to initiate pairing. But, once paired with my iPhone and iMac, they stay paired. Bluetooth works well–at least 15 feet, or more, range, and it’s clear as a bell. The “Noise” mode, selected on the app, cuts down very noticeably on ambient noise and focuses listening on the person opposite. Downsides: the unacceptable incoming phone streaming and only 11-hour run time (though the case stores enough energy for two “refills”). If they can fix the former and send out firmware updates, they will have a real contender to offer. It won’t beat my Lumity, nor maybe even the similarly priced brand name HAs at Costco, but it would surely be worth considering.
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Is there any way to increase the phone call volume on the phone itself?
I can see how devices in this class would compare unfavourably to the newest devices from the big HA companies (you mention Phonak Lumity - I have Paradise 90s so I can relate, more or less). Taking price into account, though, would that affect your evaluation?
This brand’s approach seems very promising, assuming they survive without being acquired long enough to release additional product generations.
I tried increasing the volume on my iPhone; but no luck. Sure, if a person could not take the $$ plunge to a Phonak or similar, then these could be a viable introduction. And, that was my tacit evaluation. The big distinction of the hardware is that it is built on general-purpose chips that they program on the fly, as opposed to special-purpose chips with baked-in programming in the other brands. That’s why they might be able to reprogram my HAs with an over-the-air update–or not. They also claim that their chips can deliver responses orders of magnitude faster than special-purpose chips. That’s beyond my pay grade to adjudge, though. Oh, one more thing: they have a 45-day return policy, of which I am totally mindful.
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