To those of you who have had the Covid vaccination, has anyone experienced any further hearing loss post vaccinations?
I’m not concerned about my CI ear, as I can have another mapping to adjust my CI. It’s my L ear I’m concerned about. A few acquaintances have experienced further hearing loss post vaccination.
If you have, is it only temporary or do you feel it will be permanent? Irrespective of any answers I am getting my first shot on Monday…
I got the Phisor first shot Wednesday. I have had worse mosquito bites. No symptoms so far. Hope it stays that way.
I have had both Pfizer shots with nothing more that a little fever and aches for about 36 hours. Not hearing issues at all.
Got the first shot (moderna) last Sunday and no issues other than a sore arm for a few days
I’ve had both Pfizer-BioNTech shots also (2nd today). My arm was just a little bit tender at the site of injection for the first but unless I thought about it, I wasn’t even aware. 2nd shot today was several hours ago and zero reaction. My wife had nothing but a sore arm at site of injection on 2nd shot. ~Same for everyone in her clinic (the staff got the Moderna vaccine-she got Pfizer).
When I was 4 or 5, I was boarded with my paternal grandparents while my mom had another baby (6 in toto as time went by!). This is early 1950’s medicine - but I got sick during my sojourn and my grandmom thought a shot from the family doctor would fix me up good. When she announced my fate, I started whimpering in anticipation of Doc giving me a painful needle jab in my arm (terror from previous trips to the pediatrician’s office firmly fixed in my juvenile mind!). She and her husband came from backwoods Kentucky. She announced to me that the Lewis’s were made of sterner stuff and she expected zero whimpering and if I had any gumption and didn’t want to let the family down, I’d “take my injection like the little man she hoped that I was.” Needless to say, I didn’t let out a peep when I got my shot and ever since then when I’ve faced any medical procedure, I’ve thought of her stern admonition to be stoic.
I think considering all the accrued medical evidence the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are safe and effective. We don’t have to rely on anecdotal evidence from someone’s friend that hydroxychloroquine is the cure. Especially if you are over 65 and/or have any risk factors, the vaccination is well worth any slight risk that you are among the few where something could go awry***. Maybe thinking of some past relative with an attitude like my paternal grandmother will provide positive motivation to follow where your ancestors have gone before, e.g., getting vaccinated against smallpox, etc.
*** And if nothing else, you have a duty to society to become someone not likely to catch the virus and transmit it to others. The power of humans is in knowing how to organize and cooperate. Hearing loss post COVID vaccination is probably in the category of scientific reliability of hydroxychloroquine efficacy: a putative correlation is not causation. Why do the vaccination only further reduce the hearing of those who have already suffered loss and not cause de novo hearing loss? Very curious “finding” that’s so far mostly been overlooked by medical experts in field trials of tens of thousands of volunteers and vaccine administration now to tens of millions of members of the public at large…, mostly to aged people many of whom already suffer some degree of hearing loss. If anything, there is more anecdotal buzz that COVID-19 itself might rarely cause SSNHL, so it’s more likely that getting vaccinated is going to protect you against any rare COVID-induced hearing loss -but that may be another hydroxychloroquine rumor, too.
I was going to contribute, but I don’t think it would be helpful as your mind is clearly made up.
I have had both 1st & 2nd dose of the Pfizer the 2nd one 18 days ago. I did not have any reaction.
@xresolutionx I don’t know what you are insinuating here with your comment???
All I was asking was had anyone experienced further hearing loss due to the vaccinations.
And of course I’m going to have the vaccination, aren’t you??? Or are you a anti vaxxer??
I’m clearly confused. You’ve made it clear that you will be getting the vaccine irrespective of hearing damage. You have a cochlear implant so further hearing loss isn’t of a concern to you. Yet you’re interested in whether other people have suffered more hearing loss? Why? Will not the answers to your question cause concern for others who don’t have cochlear implants and have more to potentially lose than yourself?
I think the question of post-vaccination hearing loss is a valuable question but only if there can be a balanced discussion about the risks to hearing and other aspects of our health that your friends have clearly experienced. However I get the impression that it’s not really a discussion you want to have.
These so called mRNA vaccines are not vaccines in the traditional sense. This is gene therapy and it is described as such by their manufacturers in their publications. It uses similar gene therapy technology that has been trialed on cancer patients and children with bubble boy syndrome with varying outcomes. Do you want gene therapy for an illness with a 99.7% recovery rate? Do you understand the risks? Is gene therapy really a good idea? There is no undo button for gene therapy when it is successful.
I think most people would be questioning the premise of the widespread use gene therapy if it were being presented to the public in that manner. The science is being explained to people, but the label gene therapy has been removed so that there is no connection in the public mind. Nonetheless, when you compare apples with apples this is what it is.
If people are experiencing further hearing loss because of gene therapy, then that is a cause for concern. Perhaps it might be wise to wait until the risks are better known, or at least to become better informed about the procedure that you’re consenting to.
I see your Weston A. Price Foundation and raise you (yeah I know) Wikipedia.
Despite the claims, Joel Fuhrman has written a series of articles entitled “The truth about the Weston Price foundation” in which he argues the foundation is a purveyor of “nutritional myths”, largely because they have failed to update their recommendations in light of contradictory evidence, and criticizes advocacy of the health benefits of animal-based fats.[13] Similarly, John Robbins reviewed the history of the Weston A. Price Foundation and provided evidence that Weston A. Price recommended a vegetarian and dairy diet to his own family members.[14] The anti-vegetarian and anti-soy views of the foundation have also been criticized as “myths” in several publications,[15][16][17] for example, Quackwatch describes the foundation as promoting “questionable dietary strategies” and Price’s core assumptions as contrary to contemporary medical understanding,[18] and Science-Based Medicine evaluated the medical and nutritional claims of the Weston A. Price Foundation and concludes the website is “one of the worst on the internet” due to misleading and false information.[19]
Deaf Piper is concerned for her ear that doesn’t have a CI so further hearing loss is a concern for her.
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone and articles are frequently written by activists who are religious in their belief in, for example the benefits for veganism for everyone. Wikipedia was started by a Pornography Barron who continues to ask the public to fund the foundation that runs it despite it being massive overcapitalized. Even mainstream news sources report on this. There are plenty of reasons not to use Wikipedia as a source.
I know this because I look at the evidence and consider it seriously. I read the scientific papers and journals and go back to the evidence. I don’t rely on others to interpret it for me, but I do link to material that is accurate in its interpretation for those who don’t have the technical know how to understand such things.
@z10user2 " Science-Based Medicine evaluated the medical and nutritional claims of the Weston A. Price Foundation and concludes the website is “one of the worst on the internet” due to misleading and false information."
Science-Based Medicine is a publication of the New England Sceptical society. It is not a scientific publication. The references 15, 16 and 17 are written by people promoting soy-based diets, so of course they’re going to attack anyone who is opposed to their worldview because they earn their living from it. It doesn’t make them correct.
You can launch a criticism against any organization, however the proof is in the health outcomes and the West A Price foundations outcomes are superior to those on the western diet and all plant only diets because they’re founded how people ate for thousands of years.
@Zebras concerned, but not really enough that she might change her mind as she already stated. What good can one do when people have already made up their minds and are true believers? None.
The main danger to my remaining hearing is the cacophony of alarm bells going off in my head right now. Just a reminder that the USA is closing in on 500,000 deaths from Covid-19 and that many survivors are suffering serious long term health damage. Does society really have the time to wait and see?
@xresolutionx are you fairly new to the forum? Of course I’m greatly concerned about any further loss to my hearing in my L ear, which has severe profound loss as it is.
But I’d rather have a life with severe profound loss (or 2nd CI if ever needed) than no life at all. Hence why I’m fronting up on Monday for the vaccination. As I fall into the “high risk” category I’m more susceptible to this virus than healthy people, I’m not stupid.
@d_Wooluf my heart goes out to all those families that have lost loved ones due to Covid in the US and globally. Here in Aus, our Gov/s were very pro active in the fight against this virus. In Melbourne we were in stage 4 lockdown for 4 months. All our borders were closed, we couldn’t drive/fly interstate/out of the cities, or overseas. We have been locked in Aus/ or our state for 12 months now, I consider us to be a very lucky country only having lost 909 lives to this rapidly mutating, horrid virus. Even though our health experts and scientists can’t tell us if this rapidly mutating virus is covered by the vaccines that are available today. Ive put my hand up!
I agree. Masks, border closures, social distancing, hand washing. Whatever it takes. Maybe that makes me a sheep. For what it’s worth, my internet searches found instances of hearing loss due to the virus itself. They were usually temporary. Hopefully the same applies to any hearing loss after the vaccine.
By chance I came upon this article that addresses some covid-19 vaccine ‘myths’ including the one that covid-19 vaccines change the genome.
There’s also Is hearing loss a symptom of coronovirus?
They say:" There are currently no published studies linking any form of ototoxicity or hearing loss as a side effect of either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine." but they do say that some of the common treatments such as Remdesivir are potentially ototoxic.
I was given the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccination almost 3 weeks ago. Since then I have experienced worsening tinnitus, (nausea and vertigo, which previously I have never suffered from) I don’t know if my symptoms can be linked to the vaccine. Though nothing compared to the disease.
CDC reports on Thursday that Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are both quite safe with rare side effects:
And straight from the CDC in less digestible format:
What is “gene therapy” ??? but a buzz word that has a suitable negative connotation (to some) to appeal to emotions rather than reason, when reasoning is clearly not involved here. It’s like talking about “cancer therapy” and putting a whole universe under one tent. I’m an ex-molecular biologist who has taught undergraduate and graduate biology courses as a college professor, including both classical genetics and modern molecular biology, cloning, transformation, etc. The vaccines involve the transient expression of an unstable mRNA molecule in muscles cells - the mRNA is so unstable it has to be refrigerated (short-term) or frozen (long-term) to keep in from breaking down in aqueous solution all by itself. This is not brand new unproven technology. It has been worked on for the past decade in attempt to develop a SARS-1 coronavirus vaccine, an HIV vaccine, influenza vaccine, etc., with no indications of any potential lasting long-term harm to animals or humans over that time period. Past vaccination technologies have largely depended on using a weakened attenuated LIVE virus (the Sabin polio vaccine, for instance) or chemically inactive dead virus (the original Salk polio vaccine). Yeah! Tell me it’s a lot safer to be injected with an attenuated virus (or an adenovirus carrying a piece of the SARS-2 coronavirus). The mRNA encodes a single protein, the spike protein of the COVID-19 coronavirus. Are our very own mRNA’s constantly in danger of transforming us - subjecting us to gene therapy?! Except for the protein the mRNA produces, which has no DNA altering capability or gene expression altering capability that we know of, it’s just another mRNA molecule that lives its life, expresses some protein and is destroyed. The benefit is that the protein is foreign, stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies and cytotoxic T-cells (along with T-memory cells) that the real virus with the same protein on its surface will meet up with and come to a bad end, rather than us.
From the CDC website: Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
Facts about COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines
They cannot give someone COVID-19.
- mRNA vaccines do not use the live virus that causes COVID-19.
They do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way.
- mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA (genetic material) is kept.
- The cell breaks down and gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions.
mRNA Vaccines Are New, But Not Unknown
Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.
mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.
Preaching about the evils of gene therapy in the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines reminds me of how Elmer Gantry made his living in Sinclair Lewis’s novel by that name (great movie with Burt Lancaster!).