If you only hear it only on one side then it’s very possible that you have a bad receiver. You may have 2 bad receivers as well if it happens on both sides, but it’s rare that such a coincidence would happen to both of them at the same time.
If you hear it on both sides, then maybe more information about your audiogram is needed to make any guess as to what’s going on. Like if you use Speech Rescue or not, because it may be caused by Speech Rescue in a particular configuration in your case.
Again, right on the spot. I noticed it was in high frequency and I could minimize it by using the sound controls (from brighter to fuller). But the real problem was indeed the Speech Rescue. I forgot I once played around with and I don’t need it, but left it on 
Still high frequencies sound a bit shrill in high volume music, but I think I need to get used to it. I am newby
The following may or may not be relevant. I have a Musician’s program as well as Live and Recorded music program. The Musicians program is for those playing an instrument, often close to their ears and HA (think violin or classical guitar). I was getting a 'warble" effect on that program. It turns out that, even though the feedback manager was turned down as low as it could go, it was still activating. The manager works by lowering tones by an octave or so. So I was hearing the notes from my instrument AND the same notes transposed down an octave. It was like having a bad chorus effect pedal on an electric guitar. Turning the feedback manager OFF entirely fixed this issue.
As for compression, as you all know it eliminates a lot of overtones and so empties music of its richness. So that needs to be lowered or off as well.
sorry if this is redundant! But my fix for the Musicians program has been entirely successful.
There are 3 strategies employed by the traditional feedback manager, and usually at the same time.
Nevertheless, you’re correct that this frequency shifting is what is causing the warbling effect. It’s especially more noticeable on pure tones. You hear the shifted note through your HAs, and you hear the natural unshifted note going through the vent in your domes and hitting your ear drums naturally. The 2 are out of sync by 10 Hz, obviously enough sometimes to create the warbling effect due to slightly out-of-sync cancellation spots when the 2 waveforms are combined.
Yep; I was uncertain as to how far the frequencies were being shifted. I have the Signia AX7. I frequent a forum for adult musicians with hearing loss. this issue comes up all the time across all brands. Many–most?–hearing aid audis are unfamiliar with this whole phenomenon or for tweaking aids for musicians in general. Mine wasn’t either but she was willing to work with me on this. Comically, the first Signia audi tech that we worked with hadn’t a clue–and neither did I really at that point. Adjustments were made that didn’t help at all. The second Signia tech likewise had no clue. My audi let me take over essentially and turning the feedback manager off entirely was easy; as was turning off wind block -over the objections of the Signia audi who didn’t get that I play indoors where wind is not an issue. Of course all of this was confined to the one Musician program. anyway, it worked and I’m a happy camper.
My guess is that the audis all wonder how much difference could it make turning the feedback manager from the lowest setting to entirely off. All the difference in the world, it turns out.
Yeah, usually the only thing you can minimize is the gain margin limit. But frequency shifting is shifting, it’s either an on or off thing so I’m not sure how you’d minimize it. Maybe you can minimize it by narrowing the amount of the shift, but I guess the 10 Hz shift that Oticon came up with is probably the minimum amount they found that they could get away with that would still help stave off the feedback already.
Yes the first Signia audi lowered gain in upper decibels. It didn’t help. Her thinking was sound, but that wasn’t the issue.
If you use the Fitting Assistant, you can have it adjust the gain in the high frequencies down by 2 to 4 dB, and see if that helps.
Or, as you say, since you’re a newbie, your brain may adjust to it.
Sounds like you are on the right path!
Here’s a sample:
The Fitting Assistance is a great new tool that I also notice in the latest version of Genie 2. Maybe it was there but I didn’t notice before? Oh well, I just noticed it recently after I did the update to Genie 2 anyway.
Thanks for bringing it up, @flashb1024. Man, you’re quite a DIY expert now. My truest compliment!
Hey, thanks, @Volusiano for the props, but I’m far from being an expert.
Genie 2 has a lot to offer, and spending time with it is really helping me achieve the outcome I was hoping for from the Mores.
I never thought I’d get them to sound as good as my OPNs.
Thanks to you and @pvc in the DIY section, I’ve made good progress.
My new audi has also been helpful.
@flashb1024, yes I know, but because I am newby, I am a bit reluctant to already use. I mean perhaps I first give my brains to adjust.
@jeffrey Did you noticed that the feedback manager is disabled by default when you add MyMusic for the first time in the program manager (see enclosed images)
Bert: no, I have a Signia AX7 and wasn’t looking in detail at the charts. Again, the feedback manager issue arises A LOT in discussions across brands in the musicians with hearing loss forum that I frequent. In any case, good on Oticon! And in fact the Musician program on my Signia aids is very good. Until recently audis had to do much more than deal with the feedback manager when installing a music program. Signia, and it looks like Oticon, have finally gotten on board and done at least some of the necessary work in advance.
The Fitting Assistant offers suggestions for how to adjust gain in MyMusic or any other program to adjust for shrill / dull / boomy / distorted music (for different input levels, by x number of dB. Go to Apply Solution and then click additional solution: as in this photo:
Hello, I am trying to understand the logic of the curve and the values below. I experimenting Genie2 software and did a simulation of your right ear profile and the left is my left profile. Hopefully this is not a rude experiment? And the calculated values are different as you mentioned, but I am trying to understand the logic. Especially because you are using values above target values.
Next, I am also confused about the 3 rows and it’s values. I an have the idea I am missing a kind of clue related to the CR values because only values in the soft row are matching the graph values the other row puzzles me extreme. Knowledge is lacking !!
can You or @Volusiano give me a clue?
Hi @robinwood, and Welcome to the forum!
I talked to my audi about my values being above targetr, and he told me I was within acceptable gains.
I’m no expert, so I took his word for it.
So, you can see how the 3 gain curves are all scrunched together in the mid frequencies.
These represent 45dB SPL (Soft), 65dBSPL (Medium), and 85dB SPL, (Loud).
The idea is to set those frequencies in which the graphs are too close together, to be an equal distance apart.
It’s really a test it then try it exercise.
Oticon gives us no control over the CR values, they are automatically adjusted in relation to the gain settings. Try to adjust the gains, and keep the CR values below 2dB.
Yes the fitting assistant can be a helpful tool, in general.
If you want more granular control, you’ve got to manually adjust the gains.
BTW, don’t forget when you want to make changes to only 1 program to “Unlink” the icon you see between P1 & P2 by clicking on it, or else the changes will be across all programs.
Alrighty then. I made the changes to the More music program suggested by @flashb1024 and it helped significantly. It’s not the Widex but it’s alright.
Also made the changes that @Volusiano suggested to the NNP and that too was beneficial. Also had the Aud brighten the sound up a tad and that has also helped. Still SIN is the rough one. It’s an improvement over the Evoke 440 but I still struggle. I must say though that in every other situation they shine.
So the 30 days is up next Tues. and taking the advice of @Neville and @Um_bongo I’ll be testing a set of P 90s. I have 45 days with them so I’ll give them a week on their own and then I’ll plug in a Roger On iN and see how that works out for SIN.
I’m loving my new Signia AX 7’s. Worth a try, perhaps…?
Maybe. But based on my asymmetrical loss and suggestions by Audiologists here, and some very encouraging experiences by users on the forum here as well I’m looking at the Phonak Paradise coupled with a Roget ON iN device. Thanks for the suggestion though.
