Siemens Pure - Another Bluetooth Aid?

I was just perusing the Siemens site, and came across their new hearing aid called Pure. It looks like it can be used with their Tek Connect bluetooth receiver. Kind of like the Epoq Streamer and Phonak ICom. Anyone heard anything about this? Is it available now?

Here’s the site about Pure:
http://www.hearing-siemens.com/en/04-products/21-pure/02-Details/02-Pure-Convenience/pure-convenience.jsp

Here’s their site about the Tek Connect:
http://www.hearing-siemens.com/en/04-products/19-tek/tek.jsp

The Tek seems interesting although they need more information.

Which hearing aids do they work with? Is there a microphone in the Tek so that you have to hold it and talk into it? Do you wear it around your neck? How far from the aids does the Tek have to be to communicate wirelessly with the aids? etc…

believe it with centra
that information did not came clear to me…

Are you saying the Tek would work with any Siemens aid that has e2e wireless? The site only showed the Pure actually interacting with the Tek transmitter.

I’d definitely want to get more information on this.

Thanks!

joesc Are you saying the Tek would work with any Siemens aid that has e2e wireless? The site only showed the Pure actually interacting with the Tek transmitter.

I’d definitely want to get more information on this.

Thanks!

I do not believe the Tek is compatible with the Centra or other e2e (version 1.0) devices. The original e2e protocol only transferred info at 0.2Kbit/s. e2e 2.0 (Pure) transfers at 164kBit/s. In comparison Epoq transfers @ 120Kbit/s and Exelia at 300kBit/s.

does anybody know the details of the siemens…

They didn’t upgrade the transfer speed on the Epoq? I thougth there were some updates to it at the show?

They didn’t upgrade the transfer speed on the Epoq? I thougth there were some updates to it at the show?

I doubt they can as this speed is intrinsic to the Rise (chipset) platform and not software for the platform as with the other upgrades.

the upgrade to epoq 1.1 came in the form of minor changes.
the feedback canceler has been upgraded and the streamer has the
posibility to change programs (Some one heard my pain!)…

hearnow, this transmision speed- had to be related to the batery life issue right?

Do we know if the siemens uses a special batery?

Well the info i got was that Phonak chose the GenX battery due to the higher tranmission speed (3 times epoq and twice Pure) as well as using a 10.6Mhz vs 3.34Mhz (i or there abouts) transmission frequency range of Epoq and Pure. It appears that Siemens are using a 312 battery, but not sure yet if it will be GenX or normal. Also not sure if Siemens transmits audio in Stereo like Exelia or mono streamed to both ears like Epoq.

Do you know what has changed with the feedback canceller on Epoq (why is it technically different)?
Can older Epoq’s be upgraded to the newer FB canceller or is it only new Epoqs?

Maybe you can clarify me something, I have ask oticon about phonak having a stereo signal transmiting vis a vis Oticon having a mono signal. I ask them how is it better does it sound better? the 2 guys from there look stratch their heads - so maybe you know this answer…

Regarding - I know the streamer could be upgrade to the 1.1 using a PC program.

Regarding the new feedback canceller, i believe he said it is more stable? I have genie 2008 and the fitting ranges have not change so im suspecting
they are not getting more usable gain…

On the other hand, they did said that the vigo bte has convertible to an open fit thin tube corda 2- hopefully they will also have this feature available in the epoq …

One thing I DO NOT LIKE ABOUT the new fitting software is that SOME
SMART engeneer or something took awar the CR matrix, now all you got
is a Input output chart and you need to change each chart…

this is NUTS!

from the strickly audiological point of view…

What are the strong points of the Pure- anything new?

Or just wireless sincronization…

Hi Xbulder,

I am not sure what you mean re Oticon’s mono vs Exelia’s stereo tranmission. Mono is just mono (stereo combined into one signal and signal is then copied to both ears) and stereo gives full stereo (different timings, instruments etc to each ear giving a much more surround sound effect - as the music would have originally been intended) as we are all used to sound in this day and age. This applies only for music and TV though as mobile is obviously more suitable to mono (bilaterally streamed) which both devices do. Stereo tansmission would probably be technically more difficult to do as both aids have to be syncronised more accurately - I could be wrong.

As far as the Pure is concerned there is not really much info as you are aware. It does have a new feature similar to Phonak’s RealEarSound (copied by Oticon and called Front Focus) called TruEar. It also has a new Phase canceller called FeedbackBlock (interesting that Phonak’s is called WhistleBlock). Hopefully the pure will be MUCH better than previous Siemens is this last regard. The Pure has similar capabilites to the Epoq with bin syncronisation and wireless streaming, but does not seem to have the ZoomCOntrol (4 mic array) of Exelia. This opinion could change as more technical info is released.

You talked about the Exelia’s stereo transmission and speed. Does the Naida (which also uses the ICom) have the same transmission speed and stereo transmission?

You talked about the Exelia’s stereo transmission and speed. Does the Naida (which also uses the ICom) have the same transmission speed and stereo transmission?

It does indeed :slight_smile:

That’s good to know. Thanks!

Hi Im an RHAD with experience fitting all three. The Exelia iCom is very good and transmits a great signal. I have fitted this aid to a child to who has used it with great effect with FM systems in the classroom. The TEK for the Siemens is the only one that doesnt have to have a neck cord, but it is quite large, and has to be held as a microphone for phone use, therefore more of a problem for handsfree in the car. It is the only one that has bluetooth CIC models. It is GREAT aid. The RIC is probably the most all round complete aid on the market. Benefits of the Exelia is that it has insitu auidometry for more precise fittings for each individual. Feel free to emaill questions direct to info@crystalhearinguk.co.uk

Hope this gives a bit of help

John at Crystal Hearing UK

ps they all have lip sync issues apparently when using a dongle but the Siemens is the best (it uses its own dongle). Otherwise use a jabra.

I have tried the streamer, icom, and now the tek. The Tek is by far the best. I have used it for 3 months now.

Epoqs can be upgraded by your hearing aid specialist using firmware upgrade in the software. If you have a streamer you can send it back to Oticon for upgrade. Hope this helps.

John @ Crystal Hearing Ltd