I appreciate this discussion, I put Samsung S21 on my shopping list and start studying it. 
Strangely enough the Samsung S21 is not on the ASHA compatibility list for the Oticon More. A user on Facebook had this pointed out to them by Oticon when they couldn’t get streaming to work.
Wow! I guess that demonstrates a pretty weak commitment to ASHA. I would be pretty surprised if Pixel 4A, 4A 5G and 5 weren’t compatible though and they’re not on the list. I always advise people not to commit unless they know it works. I think Marvel and Paradise are going to be tough to beat for awhile if one wants more generalized direct streaming. I think it’s still going to be quite a few years before we have the kind of compatibility where stuff “just works.” I think it will be glitchy for awhile and one needs to be willing to reboot and troubleshoot on occasion.
My guess is that it probably is compatible, but as long as it’s not on the compatibility list Oticon aren’t going to do much to help you make it work. Anyway, I wouldn’t buy a S21 for my Oticon aids without seeing it working first.
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Huh. According to this thread, only S21 Plus. https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/galaxy-s10-series/asha/td-p/1896010#:~:text=ASHA%20streaming%20only%20works%20on,available%20on%20all%20samsung%20phones.
Bluetooth® hearing aid support is stated here. I think that page covers all S21 models. So I don’t think Samsung dropped support for AHSA streaming. It may not be working properly of course. GE Resound don’t list S21 phones in their compatibility list either.
Strange. I also don’t get why all 3 (S21, Plus and Ultra) have the 888 chipset, but according to their specs, only the Ultra supports BT 5.2
It seems that things are moving fast!
I bought Olive Pro and they ended up highlighting this update:
I heard from a Resound rep that the ONE would support Bluetooth 5.2 with a future software update, as was mentioned earlier.
But I asked them about if there was a microphone for true hands free streaming, and the ONE unfortunately does not have that.
I’m hoping the next Resound has this, as Phonak uses it, and it’s one feature the new version of low energy wireless is able to support.
I also hope the next generation iPhone or even iPhone 12 support 5.2. But I wasn’t able to get confirmation from Apple since it’s a future product spec.
I am hoping that Cochlear considers it as they develop the next generation of processor as well. The Kanso 2 was released on time true to previous timelines of release. If the release schedule continues to be followed for the next BTE Cochlear device, it hopefully would be released later this year since the N7 was released in 2017 and the BTE devices follow a 4 year release schedule (N6 was released in 2013).
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Not sure what you’re saying about microphone and hands free streaming. The ONE does not support hands free streaming by itself, but with a Phone Clip+ it should and I would think a MultiMic would work too. Really hard to guess when phones will support BT 5.2. I’d say there’s a decent chance the iPhone 13 might. More confident of iPhone 14.
Thanks for asking to clarify. Phonak hearing aids allow for hands free calling without accessories because the classic Bluetooth specification is used. Bluetooth 5.2 Low Energy Audio will allow for Resound and any hearing aids to use hands-free calling. Yes, I’m aware of accessories supporting that, but it really makes a big difference to me when there’s support on the hearing aid to speak into it. So, Phonak has this, but since I have a Cochlear device, I use Resound hearing aids and they do not since the existing specification does not allow for that. This is one of the benefits of the new technology. But in order to support this specific benefit the hearing aid needs to be equipped to handle it (by having it on the hearing aid to speak into), and according to a Resound rep, that won’t be the case for the ONE, so hopefully future devices will. I personally would be really appreciative. I realize not everyone wants to use it but enough people do.
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So now we know. Thanks. I’d definitely want true hands free streaming in my next aids.
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After having the Phonak Marvel aids and real deal hands free phone calls I sure miss that with Cochlear implants. It took a few mess ups walking away from the phone to realize I had to have the phone in front of my face. Would love to see Cochlear and other manufacturers join the hands free phone call route. It really is nice.
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Yeah, but I’m hoping the next generation of Resound will have this functionality. Oh! I found that the bluetooth website has the list of types of Bluetooth supported by each device. It mentions 5, 5.1, 5.2, etc. But doesn’t mention LE Audio (at least at this point). My thought was that LE Audio may not be supported by a 5.2 product by default, it’s by choice. Maybe I’m wrong. The Resound ONE lists 5.2 though
https://launchstudio.bluetooth.com/Listings/Search
Resound ONE: 5.2
iPhone 12 line: 5.1
Apple Watch 6 and SE: 5.0
Cochlear Kanso 2: 5.0 (seems like they should’ve had an update)
Cochlear Nucleus 7: 4.2 (Weird, since Kanso 2 is based on the Nucleus 7)
Cochlear BAHA 6 Max (not Cochlear implant but another Cochlear product) has 5.2!!!
Interesting that the ONE is listed as having 5.2 support even though it will require a firmware update to get 5.2. Maybe this firmware update is only for the LE Audio form of 5.2?
Good find! From a quick search, it looks like Resound is the only HA manufacturer that claims BT 5.2. Although I love speculating about this kind of stuff, I don’t think it’s wise to base purchase decisions on it. There’s just too much we don’t know.
Actually I believe the Kanso 2 CP1150 is the next generation processor with room for firmware updates. The Nucleus 7 CP1000 is due for generation update pretty soon.
Note the model numbers of these processors. The next Nucleus 8 just might be the CP1100.
Just thinking out loud.
LE Audio is not part of the Bluetooth core. It requires 5.2 but it’s not part of it. We’ve been arguing back and forth about whether BT 5.2 + firmware upgradeable = future LE Audio. My guess is not necessarily. It’s just a guess though. I did find some product specifications (can’t remember which family of products) from Qualcomm. Previous generation of product was Bluetooth 5.2. Current generation was Bluetooth 5.2 plus LE Audio. For what that’s worth.
Every product you find now that claims compatibility with LE Audio will require an update to achieve that because LE Audio is still under development (no final spec yet).
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Things I’m very unclear about: 1) Is LE Audio the same as LC3? I think of LC3 as a codec, similar (at least in ways) to A2DP. 2) I think of the codec as the software technique to “compress” (jeez, we use that word in a lot of different ways!) the information in the sound, but I fully admit that I truly don’t get this stuff.
LC3 is a codec and it’s just one part of LE Audio. You need a codec of some kind (to COmpress and DECompress the music) but it doesn’t need to be LC3. LE Audio will accommodate other codecs (AptX, AAC etc). LC3 happens to be the mandatory one. It must be included but the user is free to use any another codec that the device manufacturer chooses to include. LC3 is not limited for use with LE Audio either. A manufacturer might choose to include it for use with A2DP (Classic Audio).
A2DP is the ‘Classic’ equivalent of LE Audio. It’s a bunch of specifications including one mandatory codec (SBC).
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Greetings. New here. Looing for answers you surley cannot get from Resound, Verizon or Samsung.
Recently purchased S21Ultra, upgraded from 9+. (which did what s21 will not).
Everything works great on S21 with the issue of sound except volume between Bluetooth and Resound hearing aids on Notifications, Alarm, System sounds. Media, websites all play loud and clear.
Just cannot raise volume on the system sounds through hearing aids. Been through all settings with no change. Other Bluetooth devices are also clear and loud on Media so the issue is between Resound hearing aids an Samsung Bluetooth. Anyone with a solution or ideas , I thank you for your time and trouble.