I found the noise program close tho useless. What worked for me in the end, was using beam forming [focus mode or whatever it is called, where you narrow the cone of sound] and proper fit.
The problem with these programs is that they’re legacy, they were made before some of the new automatic features were available, and they don’t take them into account. That’s what they’re not recommended.
I always like to have Musicians one at hand for two reasons, it processes sound differently, and secondly it has most of the automatic processing turned off. So it good for comparison and quickly turning off automatic stuff when it is misbehaving.