#1

I have a profound hearing loss and have been wearing the Phonak Naida P70 UP for around a year, maybe a bit more.

I have never been completely happy with Phonak since I stopped wearing my Phonak Naida S III UP.

An opportunity came up to buy some Phonak Naida P30 UP so I went ahead and bought them.

  • P30 sounds seem louder despite importing settings from my P70.

  • AutoSense behaves much better only having two programs within it. No Comfort in Noise or Music unlike the P70.

  • I like having OmniDirectional over Real Ear Sound as I feel Iā€™m more aware of my surroundings.

  • Iā€™m not missing any of the P70 features within the P30 as I had them turned off on the P70 anyway.

*I feel Iā€™m hearing much better with these P30 over the P70.

*Iā€™m using APD 2.0 Fitting Formula.

I guess this experiment tells me, you can hear well with the lowest technology level.

I am in lots of noise throughout my day but the P30 still work for me.

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#2

Yeah so it just goes to show what some have said, itā€™s interesting in the noisy environments situation that your not noticing any difference as well as the manufacturer pushing better noise reduction settings in their premium models.

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#3

Iā€™m unsure why I donā€™t find things too noisy.

I was standing next to a road drill in my City and I could hear (but not understand due to my loss) what my sister was saying over the road drill.

That was with NoiseBlock and other features turned off.

I have spent a long time adjusting the G numbers tho.

I was going to buy some L90 off eBay soon but I think Iā€™ll save my money especially as Iā€™m now happy with AutoSense with the 30 tech.

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#4

Yeah very good idea, so just having 2 programs to switch between has made that work, makes sense instead of trying to switch between 6 or more!

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#5

I feel the Aid can only accurately change between Calm and Speech in Noise. Any more and it gets confused. I also think that I donā€™t need anymore AutoSense programs.

I wanted the 90 tech for the Comfort in Echo but only as a manual program but not worth the money to get one extra program.

Iā€™ll be interested to know how the P30 perform in an echoing place.

Iā€™m also finding Bluetooth louder on the P30 than the P70. Volume is identical and hasnā€™t change.

Will report backā€¦ā€¦

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#6

Iā€™m in a meeting on Monday, and itā€™s an echoey room (wooden floor, high ceiling). Iā€™ll compare Speech in noise and Comfort in echo with P90s and report back. Iā€™ve already reduced the noise reduction elements in both. One thing I noticed, in the Echo programme, is that the beamforming wonā€™t go higher than ā€œ8ā€. In the main, in the meeting, Iā€™ll be using the RogerOn with the Sky aids.
Peter

#7

Iā€™ll be interested.

For me when in a large room with high ceiling, I tend to loose sound/speech rather then finding it echoey.

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#8

Have you considered a cochlear implant? I went from my current audiogram to being able to hear at 25-30db across the board within a month of switching from my Naida Up hearing aid to an advanced bionics cochlear implant and it was an insanely great decision. The Naida UP hearing aids left me unable to understand speech but everything was just noise.
Within a month after my first CI surgery I was able to understand speech. I stopped wearing my contralaterak hearing aid and made lots of progress with my CI.

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#9

Bilateral L90 would be better for you, not because of better noise reduction, but because of better directionality (StereoZoom 2.0 or Speech Sensor).

According to scientific papers (independent of manufacturers), improved directionality is the feature that improves speech understanding.

Any noise-canceling feature (AI not assessed in that literature) works only to improve comfort in noise, not speech understanding.

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#10

The decision about cochlear implants depends on many factors, particularly word recognition scores in quiet.

If @Zebras has a fairly high word recognition score (>60% in quiet), that score probably means that it is still possible to get benefits from hearing aid technology.

However, this is a rule of thumb, only one factor to considerā€¦

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#11

@Bimodal_user

The current Stereozoom on my P70 is not something I like as it makes sounds way too quiet. I donā€™t currently use it so likely wonā€™t use it, if I did get the L90.

@deafstudent

I havenā€™t even thought about a cochlear implant due to having a terminal illness. :slight_smile:

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#12

I recently tested unilateral (only right HA) directionality with occluded earmolds and I agree with you in the ā€œtoo quietā€ issue, but it was overcome by increasing the volumeā€¦ However, this is my case, I am not sure if this can work in yoursā€¦

Sorry to hear that. I had a suspected illness in 2019 - NET, carcinoid syndrome when I was 29yo, but luckily it ended with just fearā€¦

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#13

Thatā€™s what I actually have.

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#14

@Zebras, surprising coincidence :roll_eyes::open_mouth:, given that it is a more uncommon neoplasmā€¦

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#15

@Bimodal_user

yes, very uncommon.

:slight_smile:

#16

I choose to get the P70 than the P50 -UP aids for more fitting options. Iā€™m happy with the P70-UP aids. I did have a P30-UP was an spare aid and sold it as l didnā€™t like the P30 which was too basic for me. My next aids will be the L90-UPs.

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#17

@Terost

Itā€™s good that you are happy with your P70.

If you get the L90, Iā€™ll be interested in how you get on.

:slight_smile:

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#18

Iā€™m at my brotherā€™s wedding and Iā€™m hearing better then my hearing brother.

Everyone is struggling to hear but Iā€™m hearing really well with these P30.

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