This is what I wanted to know. Thanks.
When you changed to Speech in Noise did you notice a difference for the better between your General program and the Speech in Noise?
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In the situation I was in it was an improvement, yes, but not a massive one as I could just about hear in the General program.
To be honest, the open paradigm philosophy does mean that I am inclined to sit there in the General program and see how it goes. It’s only if things get really bad then I would switch.
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Yes. I saw that. To be honest I can’t remember if it had a good effect or not.
Question for you, do you use Roger X or the neck loop at all with the Xceeds, to connect with your Roger? I am thinking about it. Neckloop is really cheap on connevans website.
Of course you don’t have to change, that’s what autosense does, it’s just a fact that with Phonak the program is constantly “only” changed… and as I said, for me that’s only semi-automatic and I don’t like it.
I wouldn’t like it if Oticon did something like that either, for people who want a little more support there are two special programs, but as I said, you can usually get through the day with the standard, in contrast to Phonak, which, as I said, constantly changes the program.
I could say the same about them, they have a bad Oticon fit, but no, everyone hears differently of course and everyone deals with a situation differently.
Every brand has its pros and cons, which is why there will never be unanimity about a brand
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When you connect the audio shoe to the Xceed, Bluetooth will stop working. I found that out after spending money on audio shoes etc. Reason why, is the Xceed can’t handle both.
I’ve been told to connect a Roger X to an EduMic and Bluetooth will carry on working.
Of course the NeckLoop will also work.
I don’t use the Roger at the moment but if I ever get a EduMic, I’ll start using the Roger again.
I find I hear loads better with the Xceed over my Phonak’s anyway. I feel hearing with my Xceed’s and deaf with my Phonak’s.
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If you mean that Oticon has a general program and it doesn’t seem to morph into other programs and people can use that in almost all situations then I agree that is an intelligent distinction. Whether it’s totally true, i.e. the only aid that does that I am not sure.
As for your point about questioning the fit, I have no brand loyalty, but it is sometimes obvious when a bad fit is the case. I have seen so many posts where people have had a bad fit and have gone to another manufacturer and had success. But the first aid was just as good, if not superior.
That said, the previous comment does not apply to your fit, but for a poster on here that I have just seen. I saw your comments on your other post about the Sphere and after trialling the aid I agree with you. What the Sphere does is scrub background noise very effectively, but when you are in a group situation with multiple talkers there is in my mind different problems. There may be no background noise, so the Sphere program does not kick in. Okay in this situation one can manually switch to it. I did this and it seemed to me that in a quieter situation the benefits were marginal. The problem is the inherent difficulties we have, hearing fast pace conversation in a group, still exist because ultimately there are still issues with signal to noise ratio, difficult accents etc. This problem, for people with a severe loss and beyond is not necessarily solved by the Sphere. The Sphere solves a different problem which is when you walk into a nightclub you will be able to converse with one or two people while music is playing at 90dB. So I understand why you went with the intent. I am thinking of doing the same, but this time I will be looking for a provider that does REM.
By the way I own both Phonak and Oticon. I agree to a certain extent that it is possible to tell that Autosense has changed programs. However the newer Autosense 5.0 I found more seamless. But when my Phonaks were underfit the changes drove me crazy. But that was about 10 years ago.
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Why do you need an Edumic for Roger? I am confused. Ahh, because of Bluetooth. Okay.
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This is a weird characterization of these two hearing aids that has less to do with what the hearing aids are doing and more to do with how their software is set up.
I haven’t ever found that very useful. But I have noticed a minor improvement with it.
There’s been quite a bit of discussion whether other hearing aids work like Phonak’s Autosense. My understanding of Autosense is that it switches programs depending on what kind of environment it senses. Do other hearing aid companies aids work in a similar fashion or is there a notable difference in how they work? I do believe they do change based on their environment but do not know if it’s a different “program.” Part of me thinks this is just semantics.
They do change but it’s not to different programs.
I was asking about having the separate speech in noise program as at the moment I don’t have it.
I guess I wasn’t clear.
I notice quite an improvement when I press that button in the App to help with speech in noise.
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About a year ago, I trialed the Phonak Lumity and did an A/B comparison with my Oticon More. The difference between Phonak’s AutoSense (version 5.0) and Oticon’s general P1 program is noticeable. Towards the end of my trial period, AutoSense started to get on my nerves. I prefer Oticon’s P1, which delivers a more consistent sound without noticeable variation. Now with the Intents, I rely on P1 for most of the day, even in noisy environments, where I think it performs even better than the Speech in Noise program. I only switch programs for music or when I’m playing guitar
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That is great! But that tells me that there is still room for improvement in the fitting if your aids.
My audiologist said that too me about 3 years ago when we were working to the best possible fitting for my needs.
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This is what I found. AutoSense drove me mad!
You’re right on that. The hospital did perform REM, so not too sure what else they can do. I shall ask them in an email.
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I am not sure how to explain this, my audiologist uses the REM to verify that my aids preform as designed. My aids are pushing to the limit. My hearing loss dictates by Gene2 that the 85db receivers should work with properly fitted ear molds. I wear 105db receivers with semi skeleton ear molds that have very small vents. My aids are set to 100% plus of my audiogram. I don’t have feedback, wind noise, or issues understand speech. I can even go to concerts but i have to lower the volume of my aids to -2. I love to wear over the ear headphones over my aids again by lower the volume to -2. I go to lectures, meetings and church and hear it all very well with only my default program. Over the last couple of years I have had all extra programs removed from my aids. I can even watch TV with my wife, and having her set the volume to her requirements. She is in her upper 70s and I believe she has super human hearing. I keep pushing myself to understand speech by reading along while listening to audiobooks. I can now even sound out words now to spell them, something I wasn’t able to do for decades.
My audiologist is a professor of audiology at the state medical College and I have monitored most of the classes he teaches. I have learned alot and can explain to audiologist my needs. The VA clinic i go to now has 3 audiologist besides my audiologist. All of the new audiologist are his previous students. I feel comfortable have any of them work with me. But my audiologist always double check their adjustments.
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I think you’re right that it’s a little bit semantics with the exception that as we increase the use of machine learning to decide how sound is managed rather than engineers deciding how sound is managed, knowing exactly what it happening at any specific moment is going to become more difficult because it won’t be based on parameters that humans set it will be based on parameters that “AI” set. Phonak presents theirs as “programs”, but the programs are smoothed and blended together so how much different is that than other hearing aids hiding the ways in which their automatic features are set to adjust? The issue with doing it Sonova’s way is that it gives the clinicians more power to adjust things, but this also gives them more power to make things weird (and pumpy).
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I know. The setup is key.
It’s the person. I rode my e-bike today. So much wind noise. Terrible.
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