#83

No darn it! Phoned Audiologist and they are on their way! Hopefully!

#84

??? Did your audiologist have any explanation for the holdup? I’m unfamiliar with how the supply chain in the US works, but delivery from manufacturer to clinic in Canada is 1-2 business days.

#85

I am on Medicare. (65 and over) What we call an advantage plan thru a private provider. They cover all medical expenses including hearing aids. The Audiologists orders Aids thru the private company that works with Medicare. They send the Aids to the Audiologist. Sounds complicated however this is the first time that I had no out of pocket cost for hearing aids so just got to be patient.

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#86

Oh … I had no idea. Your US health care system is very different than ours. I was wrong to make assumptions and compare it to ours.

Sorry I jumped to conclusions. Please update us when you get them. I’m hoping you get a great fit!

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#87

No worries! Glad you asked. Yes healthcare different thru out the country and never the same for all. Especially when you reach 65 and are on Medicare. This is the first plan I ever had that paid for Hearing Aids in full so I do not mind the wait. However I am excited to try this new brand since I have always used Resounds from Costco (2 week wait from them) and these are Octicon. I’ll let you know!

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#89

[I’m copying this reply to a question in another thread that’s relevant to this discussion of More3 capabilities.]

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#90

[Here’s another answer in a similar vein, but with a few variations on the theme.]

@MDB and @Volusiano have got the answer to your question nailed down.

"I currently wear Oticon More1 hearing aids, which I’ve had for three weeks. Prior to that, I wore More3s for a month.

(I paid an upcharge of $1,500.00 Cdn for the privilege of wearing Tier1 technology - my wife’s group insurance covered 80% of that, leaving me with $300 to pay out of pocket.)

I made the change to take advantage of the More1 feature called ClearDynamics, which provides a 113dB input ceiling that makes my live guitar playing sound fuller and “richer”, to use that hackneyed term.

Another More1 feature that I wanted was a 10dB noise suppression capability, versus the More3s 6dB attenuation limit. This extra noise reduction is helpful in a very noisy environment, but is imperceptible in a quiet or moderate noise situation.

Streaming music, phone calls, input from remote mics is the same for either More3s or More1s, so there’s no advantage to be had here to justify the upcharge.

If it hadn’t been for my wife’s additional coverage for my hearing devices, I wouldn’t have moved up to More1s. I decided to take advantage of the additional funds to get better rendition of LIVE MUSIC and not canned entertainment (I’ve played solo guitar professionally for over 50 years).

The More1 devices have proven their superiority in that regard, and they do provide better noise limiting in very noisy settings

So - I’d say that More1s are worth the $300 they actually cost our household budget, but they’re NOT WORTH THE $1,500. 00 (+35%) UPCHARGE over the More3s for someone with a relatively quiet lifestyle.

For the record: I could have lived with/gotten used to More3s for my music - yes, More1s are better, but More3s are by no means unacceptable.

On the other hand, Oticon’s OpenSound concept allows the wearer to hear more sounds emanating from the sides and back. More technology uses AI to attenuate, but not totally suppress, the sounds it labels “noise”.

(I’m uncertain whether it actually boosts speech sounds, but it’s supposed to "clarify " them. In any event, the SPL differential between speech and noise created/enhanced by MoreSoundIntelligence definitely is effective for me at improving speech intelligibility.)

Previous users of directional, beam-forming hearing aids can initially be overwhelmed by the broader palette of sounds their brain hears in the OpenSound world. For these users, the extra noise suppression provided by More1s would probably provide a more comfortable (and ultimately successful) transition to Oticon’s sound treatment philosophy.

If I were still working, and in a dreadful, open architecture “bullpen” again, I believe that More1s would provide better speech-in-noise performance. Otherwise, there’s really no good reason to discount More3s ability to deliver very good results.

Perhaps More2s would be the best of both worlds (top-tier performance vs economy)? I dunno because I have not done any research on More2s.

That’s my $0.02 worth for now. I intend to post a detailed comparison of More1s vs More3s in a few weeks (after my next audiologist appointment on June 10)."

#91

^ Should add that More 1 goes up to 9 kHz but More 3 (and 2) goes to 6 kHz. With music it can matter (at least for me)

#92

I’m sorry … to what, exactly, do these numbers refer? Why are tou inserting them here?

#93

Sorry, I understood that this is somekind of depate More 1 over More 3 (or vice versa :smiley:) So one important fact to someone may be that More 1 frequenzy range goes higher than More 3.

#94

@akk: You’re still not answering my question: to what parameter do these measurements in Hz apply?

[If you’re referring to “Fitting Bandwidth”, the bandwidth over which gain adjustments can be applied by the fitter is 8kHz for More2 and More3, and 10kHz for More1s. These numbers refer to the adjustment range of the devices, and not to their input sensitivity. So your statement is factually inaccurate, and confusing.]

And this thread is not a “debate” about which is “better”: More 1 or More 3. It’s about whether More3s can be adequate for people with certain specific needs, but do not have the financial means to purchase More1s.

Please do not corrupt the aim of the discussion with misinformation about the devices themselves and about the objective of this discussion of their capabilities.

#95

My purpose is not misslead or confuse.
The higher frequenzies you can hear, the better voice (speech) regonizion is. For me it is an important fact, but I don’t know about you.

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#96

You still don’t understand what the numbers you are quoting mean. The way you are using this information is incorrect and misleading.

Perhaps @Volusiano, @Neville, @Um_bongo, @tenkan @Blacky (et al.) or one of the other very knowledgeable Forum gurus will post some clarification for our mutual benefit.

[BTW - if you had read my profile, you would know that I have been playing solo finger style guitar professionally for over 50 years.]

#97

I have to say this, sorry if I offend anyone.
We are all different we all have different needs as for as our hearing goes. Even if we have the same hearing loss we live in different hearing environments. We have so many choices in hearing aid brands and levels for a reason,. We are all different. We have different means of finances, we have different lifestyles. We want to hear things differently. There isn’t the need for arguments if we just try to understand that “we are all different “.
By the way that also goes for our choice of cell phones and other devices.

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#98

Been thinking about that a lot lately Chuck, how diverse hearing loss is! How your audiogram is in someways like a fingerprint, with no 2 the same, you may get similar, but never actually 2 identical once you throw in other factors, tinnitus, occlusion, narrow canals, etc’, all of our loses are totally unique to each individual…… And what works for me, is perhaps never going to work for you, even with an almost identical loss! We all have a biased opinion, usually borne out of our own personal experiences, but occasionally we must put our own biased opinions on hold, comparisons are most certainly not going to be, “like for like”…. What you may think is wonderful, I will think it is absolutely useless, and vice versa…… Cheers Kev :wink:

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#99

According to the product info below, the More 1 has a Fitting Bandwidth of 10 KHz, while the More 2 and 3 are 8 KHz. I’m not sure where you get the 9 KHz vs 6 KHz from? Also, without seeing your audiogram, it’s hard to tell whether this makes a difference for you or not.

For most hearing challenged folks like us, being able to hear at 8 kHz is already a big stretch, let alone being able to tell the difference between 8 to 10 kHz. I don’t really think this difference really matters that much when it comes to music listening because our impaired hearing usually can’t discern this difference, especially for most folks who common have the ski slope type of hearing loss.

For music, having the Clear Dynamics feature (which the More 1 and 2 do, but the 3 doesn’t) makes a bigger difference than the 8 to 10 kHz bandwidth difference, in my opinion.

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#100

@Volusiano: Thanks for your clarification on the subject of bandwidth. I’m certain that you and I are talking about the same thing, and I agree, having worn both More1s and More3s, that Clear Dynamics does allow More1s to give better rendition of live music than More3s. But the superiority is attributable to input headroom, and not frequency response.

What difference it makes for listening to a hifi system, I can’t say. I know for sure that I - like you - can’t hear way up to 8kHz, let alone 10, so the fitting bandwidth of More1s vs More3s makes no difference to me.

For the record, I don’t recall ever saying that More HAs (whether tier 1 or tier 3) are better or worse than any other make or model. What I have said, and will continue to defend, is that More3 hearing devices should not be dismissed, out of hand, on the basis of numbers that may be moot to a particular person.

More3 is not the equal of More1, or the latter would not cost $1,500 more per pair, but they are not to be sneezed at. Depending upon the individual wearing them, and their individual hearing loss, I believe they can provide excellent results: if they are properly fitted. That could probably be said of any major make/model.

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#101

Sorry for confusing this. Should always check details… my memory failed. What I meant is frequency range, which differs from fitting range. So FR for More 1 is up to 9600 Hz and for More 2&3 up to 7500 Hz with Ear Simulator. Of course if you can’t hear these higher frequencies with HA, there is no use for extra bandwidth. With my case I feel that HA should go as high as my normal ear can hear, if possible. Unfortunately my audiogram stops at 8 kHz, so I 'm not sure what happens between 8-10 kHz. You are maybe right that “Clear dynamics” is one important reason (for me) to pick up More 1 rather than 3. I rest my case.

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#102

ClearDynamics made a huge difference in my enjoyment of live music because it eliminates input clipping at the SPL of my guitar playing - not because of frequency response.

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#103

I think if you can hear normal at the higher frequencies (in the 8-10 kHz range), your fitting is probably not completely closed, so you should still be able to hear the high sounds coming through OK. But you don’t need a hearing aid to be able to amplify in the 8-10 kHz range for your normal ear anyway, so whether it’s the More 3 vs More 1 with their difference in frequency response is a moot point for your normal ear anyway.

If your ear has a high frequency loss, then I’d say you don’t lose out that much info between 8-10 kHz. You’re probably already very happy if the hearing aids can even make up for your loss up to 8 kHz that you probably won’t mind missing the remaining 2 kHz range, that is if you can hear the difference at that range with a hearing impaired ear anyway. That’s why they don’t bother extending audiograms beyond the 8kHz point.

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