New Hearing assist devices better than hearing aids


#1

My AudeoQ90’s are quite useless in noisy environments.
No amount of fiddling by the Audiologist helps.
I am extremely sensitive to mid range and quite insensitive to higher sounds.
My general hearing is good enough to get by daily without aids.

I actually hear better in noise with a pair of nr headphones than I do with the aids.

Soo… from my point of view at least , salvation approacheth…

Three competing products , all promising super aggressive noise cancellation and good speech recognition and processing.

Nuheara, Doppler Labs and Bose.

The first two have crowd funded and have or are bout to fulfill the cf pre orders.
Both are accepting retail orders with delivery in the next few months.
Strangely… they are both the same price $299 usd
Bose are showing and telling but availability will probably q3… and the price will probably be … $299

Some of these products are already in ears and out and about , would love to hear some real world experiences


#2

I’d be shocked if these things helped you more than properly fit hearing aids. Sounds to me like you need different/better HA’s/audiologist.

IMHO.

Marc


#3

I would second getting a different audiologist.


#4

I have been through a few audio’s and the current practitioners seem to know their stuff.
If newer aids would help they would so advise… but they do not.

They have given up in terms of getting me to hear in strong noise.
The aids just amplify garbage, I can hear better without them.

Anyway this post was asking if anyone had tried the new devices, rather than seeking to discuss the trenchant belief systems of professional hearing aid marketers… :slight_smile:


#5

If you look at post #20 on this thread http://www.hearingaidforums.com/showthread.php?21212-Do-hearing-aids-have-quot-active-quot-noise-reduction/page2&highlight=bose, poster LisaC54 said she had a chance to try out the Bose Hearphones and she liked it a lot. There are more posts that ensued in the thread that discussed it further.


#6

Thank you very much , exactly what I was looking for.
I did a search before posting but clearly did not set the right parameters.

For the audio’s reading this… I have a pocket with a raft of selectable options.
Of course the aids work really well as the din starts to escalate and only quit when it reaches a certain threshold.
Maybe the new devices will help where the aids do not….and maybe they will not … we shall see

I will buy myself one of the two currently available and see how we go.


#7

Sorry, but since no one here knows the degree of your hearing loss, you may be at about the best hearing you are going to get. OR you audiologist isn’t as good as your think they are. Hearing aids are going to help, but they won’t cure your hearing loss and allow you to hear like you have no hearing loss. I also know that HA’s can be set up to work quite well in noisy environments because I have a pair that works really well in that environment. So I guess you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink, so either your hearing is too far gone, too sensitive at certain frequencies(recruitment or Hyperacusis) or you need to see another audiologist IMHO.


#8

You should really post your audiogram in your signature to begin with, so at least we know what your hearing loss is like to get an idea of why you’re having issues with HAs in noisy environments.

But you did describe it here a little bit: extremely sensitive to the mid range (which I assume to be very normal hearing in low range, and maybe even better then normal hearing mid range), quite insensitive to higher frequency sounds, good enough to get by daily without aids -> sounds like a typical curve loss, but maybe the ski slope is a bit further out at 2 or 4 KHz maybe? And that’s probably why you can get by without aids, because if your ski slope is quite far out, you have normal hearing in the majority range of speech, except maybe you miss out on the s and sh’es, but there’s still plenty of content in the speech for you to catch to make sense of without needing the HAs. Maybe you just can’t hear the birds tweeting or crickets chirping on the high ends.

I’m no audi but I’m just guessing here that in noisy environments, maybe the HA’s amplification of the high frequencies (needed to compensate for your high end loss) is interfering with your being able to hear the mid range somehow, therefore causing your hearing to become ineffective in noisy environments. This is not your HA’s fault because it’s doing its job like it’s supposed to do (amplifying the high ends for you), but maybe you have some kind of special hearing condition/issue where too much high end amplification of the noise mess up your mid range hearing. This may be a rare condition that you have but most other folks don’t have and that’s why the HAs work out OK for them in noisy situation but not for you. And I’m not talking about “ear” hearing here, I’m talking more about “brain” hearing, meaning that maybe your brain is wired a little differently and it just can’t process sounds in the mid range properly if there’s too much high end interference due to noise.

Of course all this is just guessing, who knows for sure. But maybe these special devices from Bose or Nuheara or Doppler Labs will work better for you in noise, just because they’re more generic and focus more on noise cancellation/reduction and beam forming but don’t amplify high ends like your HAs do, so they won’t interfere with your mid range hearing for the speech in noise.

If you find that these devices actually indeed work out better for you in noisy environment after all, maybe one thing to try with your HAs is to lower amplification on the high ends but only when in noisy mode, but retain normal high end amplification in all other modes (like regular or quiet or music modes, etc). I don’t know, just something worth tinkering with if there’s nothing to lose to try it out. The idea here is that your HAs have noise reduction and beam forming features just like those devices, maybe even better. So if those devices work for you in noise and the only difference is that your HAs also amplify the highs, then remove that amplification in noise to make your HAs behave more like those devices.


#9

I have to concur with tgh and I too am desperate to find a hearing device which helps me in noise. I am going to investigate the devices mentioned - in fact, I sent an email to Bose a few weeks ago asking when they will be available in Australia but have not yet heard anything back. q3? Thanks for the info.

I have tried four different hearing aids over the last two years and have had numerous adjustments from three different audiologists.

I do get a slight benefit from my current hearing aids in quiet environments, e.g. I can hear my own voice a little clearer.

However, in noise - no chance - I was at a wedding reception last week and the background noise was overbearing! I eventually took out my aids and I was at least able to tune in to the people close to me, albeit with some difficulty.


#10

I’m actually surprised and disheartened that in 2017 folks here are not getting the aids they need that work in many environments. I don’t know if it’s a brand issue or technology issue or maybe just proper fitting.

I’ve worn aids for over 30 years, and at least from 1990s onwards, have been able to set a program for noisy environments (weddings, parties, restaurants, busy shopping malls, large auditoriums, etc.,) to help me hear as good or better than those with normal hearing. My brands have varied from Phonak to AGX to Oticon, and all got the job done for me.

I agree with posts here that say tinker with the frequencies & gain. It could be that with some adjustments, the “shatter” of noisy places can be diminished a bit. Of course, directionality also helps, cutting out sound from behind.

I hope anyone here with trouble hearing in noisy settings (or on the phone for that matter) can be persistent to find better aids. GOOD LUCK to all.


#11

Thanks, I have tried different brands and fitters so I wonder if it is my specific hearing loss?

I can usually manage to hear in most situations reasonably well without wearing my aids although I do persist and wear them most of the time in the believe (hope) that my brain will eventually adjust to them.

However, after two years I wonder…

I am seriously considering taking a chance and ordering the IQbuds from Nuheara.


#12

You describe your issue with hearing in noise differently than most others who complain about hearing in noise. Most others can tolerate the background noise OK, they just can’t understand speech from all of the noise. But in your case, it seems like you can’t tolerate the noise volume at all (when you said overbearing). Did you try to have the audis bring down the volume a bit in the noise program? At least you have to fix the “overbearing” (or volume) issue first before you can know whether you can understand speech in noise next or not, once the noise is not overbearing for you anymore.


#13

Intersting discussion…thanks everyone.

The out for my audiologist is that as I will not live in the aids , therefore they cannot retrain my brain to accept the frequency shift that will allow me to hear better in noise.
I think this is mostly bunkum, BUT , I will not allow my self to be wholly dependent on aids and to this end won’t wear them when I don’t really need them.
My hearing has improved over time and continues to improve because I demand and expect that my brain find a way to comprehend the world without being propped up.

One of the nasty truths about hearing aids is that they train the brain to be dependent on the boost… and the wearer rapidly becomes addicted and enslaved by the neat little gadget.
I do miss the twitters and the clicks , I can’t hear the frig complain that I left the door open and lots of other stuff… life isn’t perfect

Without aids, I can dip my head under a tap when it’s hot , get very dirty and dusty , pull my earmuffs on and off at will… occasionally be smothered in sparks from a welder or a grinder and a whole raft of other stuff that is challenging wearing 10 thousand dollars worth of hearing aids.

anyway…I have decided to wait for some user reviews but will probably order hear one buds…


#14

Those paragraphs contradict each other quite neatly.

Your sensorineural hearing is unlikely to improve further as you starve the brain of input and stress your auditory system. The hearing aids don’t train the brain to become dependent upon the boost, they allow you to get the most hearing possible from your available mental plasticity.


#15

Perhaps you should review

prior to thinking that you can get by in-aided or maybe it is to late.:wink:


#16

Happy to compare IQ’s justed… there is a scientific study to prove and disprove almost every concept.
Science has developed a huge credibility problem as spin replaces serious analysis.

There may be grounds for hearing loss contributing to mental decline in some humans , and there is unarguably some social stigma to sitting at a large table in high noise and being functionally mute.
To that end I and others are seeking solutions to our challenges where audiology (selling hearing aids) has failed.

Audiology lives hand to mouth with hearing aid marketing and any attempt to highlight these issues is usually met with rebuttal and spin.


#17

If the aids actually performed in the way they describe in their promise, it would put the big manufacturers out of business.


#18

If you don’t like to retrain your brain to accept frequency shifting then don’t use HAs that do frequency shifting. Or turn off that functionality. Not all HAs do frequency shifting and the jury is still out on whether frequency shifting is really effective as a means to help hear better in noise or not.

Your hearing actually has not improved. It’s just that your brain is learning to compensate for your hearing loss, namely in making guesses on what people say that’s hard for you to understand. That can only go so far, but it’s OK for now because you probably still have good hearing in the mid range area, where most of the speech is. As long as your hearing loss isn’t getting worse, it may not be a big deal. But if you let it go for too long and your hearing worsens, by the time guessing with your brain doesn’t cut it anymore because your hearing has lost too much information, bad enough that requires going back to wearing HAs, it will become a much harder adjustment for you because your brain no longer remembers how to interpret the information that you’ve been missing out for too long. It’s going to be much harder to retrain your brain to hear properly using this missing information that your HAs enable you to hear. Your brain may just reject it as noise by then because your brain doesn’t know what to do with it anymore. Remember, brain hearing is a life long learning process and if you let it slide for too long, your brain will forget, and that part of your brain that learned to hear since you were a kid will get re-purposed into doing something else and it’s going to be very hard to gain it back.

An extreme example is that if you take a child who was born deaf and all of a sudden can regain his/her hearing at 10 years old by some miracle. That 10-year-old is not going to be able to make any sense of any of the sound because his/her brain never heard any sound before. Any sound would just be overwhelming noise and his/her brain with totally reject it because it has no value to his/her brain because the brain simply does not know how to process it.

Yes, once you wear HAs, your brain hearing will be trained to hear in accordance to what the HAs deliver to your ear. But I woudn’t call it being enslaved by the neat little gadget. I would call it taking advantage of the available technology to enable you to train your brain to hear properly instead of training your brain to hear improperly by making guesses.


#20

I believe the above statements to be utter rubbish… evangelical hysteria…:slight_smile:

I assume I will soon be booted for “disturbing the natives” , or for creating doubt in the minds of potential hearing aid customers.
I just wanted to emphasise that I use my aids where they help me , and when the audiologist advises me that there is enough tech advantage to do so , I will buy more


#21

I would be willing to bet that you also think that people who have poor vision and need glasses, do so because they have worn glasses and become dependent on them.

Others on this site have told you that you need to go see another audiologist because you are obviously not satisfied with the results your current or past audiologist have given you in hearing in noisy situations. I know for a fact that with the right person setting up HA’s for use in a noisy situation such as a noisy restaurant can do a fantastic job because I have HA’s that were set up for a restaurant setting and they are nothing short of amazing in how they filter out the background noise and allow me to only hear those at the table I’m sitting at and maybe the table next to me.

I find it very interesting that your “hearing has improved over time and continues to improve because I demand and expect that my brain find a way to comprehend the world without being propped up.” Can you post a link with copies of your old audiograms that show this to be true? Oh wait, you haven’t even posted you current one, so we don’t even know that you have hearing loss.

Your other comment: One of the nasty truths about hearing aids is that they train the brain to be dependent on the boost… and the wearer rapidly becomes addicted and enslaved by the neat little gadget. Is truly amazing, since every study I have read to shows that as Um bongo has said, “that they allow you to get the most hearing possible from your available mental plasticity.”

I have had hearing loss at least since the 2nd grade(probably since age 4) and in all these years not once has my hearing gotten better only worse and I have only had hearing aids for the past 6 years and in those six years my loss hasn’t accelerated but stayed fairly stable. Your anecdotal evidence of your improvement in your hearing loss is just that anecdotal without proof. So, as I said before you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink!