Has the MicroTech dealer agreed to adjust them? That’s great if he has. If he could do the feedback control and basic adjustment you would probably be fine going the DIY route.
Stan, sorry I didn’t respond sooner. My mistake, it is TM.
Don, my local guys are the best. So far they have programmed a pair of Starkey I bought off ebay, and now they just gave me the CS 63 cable with Flex connects. These are very hard to get. They also provided the Resound dealer brochure with setup instructions. Haven’t charged me anything for this.
Playing with the Starkey, and now the ReSound 961’s is for fun. Too darn hot out to shoot at the ranges down here. Won’t let up until almost November
So, I’m coming up on just over a week and I’ve been wearing them exclusively. Very happy with the way they were programmed for me by the guy i bought them from. I found a Hi-Pro box and the software and also the connection wires and have made a few minor changes.
I did the feedback management as that is relatively simple and it made a big difference.
I removed the phone program as I haven’t seen a “wired” phone in years. I now have a Standard, a Binaural Directionality program, a restaurnat, and automobile. Working great.
As long as they hold up physically I’ll be a happy guy.
Programming is a blast. Some great software makes it easy peasy… well not really but it appears I’ll be able to learn it. There’s quite a bit to it so it will take a while. ReSound has some great training videos and resources.
I’ve worn them while in several restaurants and I’m very happy with the way they handle speech in noise. Yesterday I was in a Panara, it was packed with middle school kids that were LOUD and there was no problem hearing the people at my table.
There is a program included in the software that is for hearing while in automobiles and it is the best. It cuts the road and wind noise down to nothing.
When I trialed the Rexton Cobalt 16 there was an outdoor or nature setting that was basically for windnoise. One day I set it to that while I was outside, then forgot about it and went to a loud restaurant. The Rexton windnoise setting was a great noise setting as well.
Would you try the Resound windnoise program when you are in an area of loud background noise, like a loud restaurant, and report back?
I’ll be sure to do that Don. The automobile program cuts out the noise of the tires on the road and the sound of the Dodge Caravan, with windows up and AC on. I’ll still give it a try.
I made some adjustments yesterday to program number 2. #2 is the basic settings without binaural directionality. I cut the gain back on this program so it should be for when I just want things a little quieter.
Sho, I see you have a binaural directionality program AND a restaurant program. What are the differences between these two programs? I would think that the binaural directionality feature would be the main advantage of a restaurant (speech-in-noise) program, so that there would be no need for a binaural directionality program AND a separate restaurant program. In what situations do you use each of those two programs?
I would also be interested in the results of the proposed experiment with the windnoise feature. At Don’s suggestion I tried the windnoise feature in my Resound Forzas (Aleras) and found little to no benefit in speech-in-noise situations. It’s great that you’re able to (hopefully) easily adjust this feature with your self-programming equipment. Thank you for sharing your information.
The restaurant one will have faster acting suppression of impact sounds and reverbs but is likely to still hunt out the speech and may switch in and out of the binaural directional sound field as it suits. The straight directional will be fixed in this mode, which may not suit music or impact noise to the same extent.
Thanks, Um Bongo. I’m learning more about hearing aid programming all the time. There really seems to be a lot involved, and many parameters for an audi to adjust. I guess an audi starts out with a factory default program like “restaurant” and then tweaks the various parameters starting from the “restaurant” default settings. Is that right?
Actually, what they should do is to set up the aid properly in P1 and then add/link the changes to P2. The initial settings ought to be verified using speech-mapped REM, but the subsequent adjustment should be based on customer experience. If you keep a few notes of when each program is working, you’ll make tweaking the aid easier. BUT, it’s also important to allow each change to ‘bed-in’ allowing your mental plasticity time to adjust.
I can physically see what the readout of the aids and programs is but I didn’t notice that the Automobile program was good for restaurant, speech n noise. The restaurant program seems to allow more sound of all sorts in while the automobile program seems to dampen what ever frequency the road noise is.
Today i removed the change i made in the overall gain in program 2. I then made changes that moved the “loud” high frequency down and the low frequency up. I’m hopping this will reduce the discomfort of Loud speech and loud noise. It will take a few days to find out.
What I’m seeing so far is that self programing is good because you have the ability to try the aids in different situations rather than sitting and talking loud or trying to reproduce sounds. I never have been able to tell much from when my audi is testing for changes. I think this is what umbongo is saying “” ‘bed-in’ allowing your mental plasticity time to adjust"".
I’ve also been pleasantly surprised at how helpful the actual program is. I know I can’t program like an audiologist or correct patient complaints but the amount of information within the program is excellent. It actually says "if the issue is xxxxx then do YYYYYYY. Save
I think the TM/TS is for tinnitus, but I’m not positive. I am also trialing the 961’s. Everyone seems to love them, and so far I am NOT loving mine at all. I am on the third adjustment, and while they still need to fine tune the volume/levels and some of the frequency tweaks for sure… the thing that bothers me most is there is a constant “aaaaaaah” sound. LIke… surf or something. I’m wondering if it’s the sound of the unit in operation as I have a mute option and I can STILL hear it, albeit softer. Right now the adjustment is so off I’m getting a feedback sound when I talk. Also, any kind of fan, or traffic is incredibly amplified. Im’ going to post these issues in a new thread because I definitely could use some guidance in talking to my audio. Either in adjusting…or, I’m about to give up and try a whole new pair. For this HUGE price tag, I shouldnt have to ‘settle’. I can settle for less $.
WHat is YOUR Experience with the Verso’s?!?! I’m dying to hear more from others!
Anna
Most of the comments I see are very positive. You should not be hearing anything when there is no sound. I know at first, the sound of the house central air was “again” hearable for me. It took me some time to figure out what was what. Also know that you should be able to tell your audi that you are hearing too much fan noise, like from your computer or other items and he should be able to get rid of that easily… There is a specific program available for traffic and road noise. Have him set one program for that because it is an option and a standard default program that is available.
My programs now are: 1. Binaural Directionality 2. Soft switching 3. Restaurant(speech n noise) 4. Automobile
When I think of feedback I think of a constant screach like from a microphone/guitar on stage and not coming from speech. If you are getting pops, and sss sounds from speech then that is different from Feedback noise. He should be able to tweak for that also.
I know that with some settings, speech will sound like someone is talking through a Kazoo. Speech has a zzzzzzzzzzzzz over the top of it.
Above all do not get discouraged. It may take you quite a few visits to get them to where you are completely happy. Also if they are not getting rid of the extra noise you are hearing, tell them. It’s possible to have faulty aids too.
Ok guys I need some help. I’m fine with program 1 and program 2 but Program 3 is my restaurant program. It is very good for hearing people and understanding people at my table. Couldn’t be happier…but the background noise is almost unbearable. Note that I say almost. This observation was in an extremely noisy sports bar with 60 some odd televisions, 2 private parties. loud music on the stereo system and a comic, yes a comic. I could understand every word that was being said at the table but would sure like to have been able to reduce the background noise.
So Where do I start as far as adjusting my program? I’ll see if I can post a screen shot of that program by tomorrow morning. Don’t want to wake the wife while on the other computer.
The automobile program does not help with that. I’ll look for other noise specific programs.
What is the program 2. Soft switching you describe. I currently have 1. the basic (not sure what you call that
2. Tinnitus 3. Music. Trying to decide which is needed more restaurant or car as both are bothersome
thanks!
suz
The programs are options in the programming software. They are preset adjustments to the basic program. I believe they could also be made by making individual adjustment but clicking the one setting makes several changes. The Automobile program is very effective for use while in the car but I don’t find it useful for any other situation.
The restaurant program is good for speech n noise. So the answer to your question is that I don’t necessairly know all the changes that are a part of the programs I’m choosing as they are preset adjusments. doc audio, umbongo, and others can tell you but I’m a novice.
Sho, in my thread “Best HA’s for speech in noise” Don posted:
"I found with my Resounds that the software starts off with not a lot of noise reduction. I had to ask for more of that, over and over. The pro has the option of increasing speech and soft speech, and lowering noise and loud noise. For example, they can raise speech 5 Db and lower noise 5 Db and that really helps a lot. I’m not sure now what the actual limits are to that.
At first the pro would basically make a 1 Db change and send me on my way. Eventually we arrived at a “party” program where noise was max down and speech was max up and that actually works very well.
I’ve had about 10 adjustments although some were just for some preferences."
There’s some more discussion about the issue in that thread. It might be helpful to you. Good luck.
What is the difference between speech and soft speech when you said the pro has an option to increase these? Thanks!
There are separate slider adjustments where you can change the level of speech, soft speech, noise, loud noise, about 7 in all. On mine, in the “party” program we moved soft speech up all the way and the noise sliders all the way down. Made a big difference.
hi there,i know this may be a bit late in the post,but is there a special name/place in the Aventa software to reduce the background noise,i’m giving the verso 962 a trial after 10 years of phonak use,im liking them, bar the very loud background noise that i can’t seem to adjust anywhere in the software,its really easy in the phonak target software but not so (for me anyway) in Aventa software,i’ve tried the noise tracker and all, but not much seems to happen there.